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Old Oct 30, 2014, 12:48 pm
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="5"%New Aeroplan City Pair mileages:

How to get the MPM online: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28509402-post231.html

Between:

Europe 1-Asia 1:
FRA-NRT: 9642 (q)
NRT-NCE: 10,302 (q)

Europe 1 - Asia 2:
VIE-SGN 8464 (q)
GRZ-DPS 9965 (q)

Europe 2-Asia 1:
DME-NRT: 9,091 -- 7,288(q) (they lowered it??)
DME-KIX: 7,108 (q)
LED-NRT: 7,398 (q)
DME-HKT: 6,249 (q)


Europe 1-North America

Europe 1-Australia
-FRA-SYD: 16700 (RTW:FRA-BKK-SYD-ICN-ORD-YYZ-FRA)
-CDG-PPT: 16065
-CDG-AKL: 18952

Asia 1-Asia 1
-PVG-SIN: 4278 (q)

Asia 2-Asia 1
-MNL-PEK: 2990 (q)

Asia 1-South Pacific
-NRT-RAR: 9170 (q)

Asia 1-Southern South America
-PVG-EZE: 20142 (q)

Asia 2-Northern South America
-SIN-UIO: 20279 (q)


North America-Europe 1
YVR-CPH: 7609 (c)
YVR-ZRH: 8363 (c)
YVR-LYR: 6196 (q)
YVR-TOS: 7164 (q)
YVR-KEF: 8019 (q)
BOS-VCE: 6453 (c)
YYZ-ARN: 6099 (q)
YYC-CPH: 7958 (c)
YVR-DUB: 7609 (c)
LAX-DUB: 8849 (c)
SAN-DUB: 9309 (c)
YVR-CDG: 8383 (c)
SAN-CDG: 10145 (c)
YVR-OSL: 7609 (c)
SAN-OSL: 9627 (c)



North America-Europe 2
YUL-KRR: 8163 (q)
YEG-IST: 9196 (q)
YVR-WAW: 8473
YVR-BUD: 8934
YVR-ATH: 10097
YVR-VKO: 8490 (q)
YVR-IST: 9920 (c)
LAX-IST: 11387 (c)
JFK-IST: 8275 (c)
MIA-IST: 9881 (c)
SFO-IST: 11137 (c)
ORD-IST: 9077 (c)
IAH-IST: 10571 (c)
IAH-BJV: 10767 (c)

North America-Asia 1
-YVR-HKG - 8381 (c)
-YVR-HIJ 7092
-YYC-BKK - 9776 (q)
-YEG-HKG 9113
-YEG-SIN 11377
-YEG-BKK 10382
-YEG-HKG is 9137 (q)
-YEG-SIN is 13447 (q) May 20, 2017

-ORD-BKK - 13753 (q)
-YYZ-BKK - 11055 (q) YYZ-BKK 11905
-YYZ-HND - 9088
-YYZ-NRT - 9049 (q)
-YYZ-ICN - 9297 (q)
-YYZ-PEK - 9228 (q)
-YYZ-HKG - 10957 (q)
-YYZ-OKA - 10200 (q)
-YYZ-TPE - 10544
-YYT-TPE - 10389 (q)
-YYT-HKG - 10576 (q)
-YYT-MFM - 10582 (q)
-ICN-YUL - 9260 (q)
-ICN-YEG - 7351 (q)
-TYO-YUL - 9071 (q)
-OSA-YOW - 9256 (q)

North America-Asia 2
YQB-MNL - 13600
YUL-DPS - 16,240 (q)
YEG-KUL 13301
YEG-PNH 12298
YEG-CNX - 11822
YVR-RGN 12060
YVR-BKK 12150
YVR-SIN 13196
YVR-SGN 12120
YVR-MNL 10854
YVR-HKT - 12824 (q)
YYT-SIN - 14493 (q) Aug 17, 2018
YYT-BKK - 13045 (q)
YYT-SGN - 13585 (q)
YYZ-SIN - 13095 (q)
YYZ-HKT - 12480 (q)
YYZ-DPS - 16293(q) May 22, 2017
SFO-BKK - 13956
YOW-BKK - 12156 as per syntron's post.
SAN-KUL - 14729
SFO-KUL - 14012
KUL-LAX - 14565

North America-Australia, New Zealand
YYZ-SYD: 15540 (q)
YYZ-AKL: 13816 (q)
YYZ-MEL 16210 (q)
YYZ-PER 18050 (q)
YUL-PER 18164 (q)
NYC-PER 18633 (q)
PER-SFO 14714 (q)
BDA-PER 20444 (q)
MEL-YVR 13160 (q)
YEG-MEL 13921 (q)
YEG-AKL 12078 (q)
YEG-PER 14693 (c)
BNE-YVR 11820 (q)
YVR-PER 14765 (q)
SYD-YVR 12417 (q)
JFK-SYD 15965 (q)
JFK-MEL 16669 (q)
YYC-SYD 13,096 (q)
YYC-MEL 13,829 (q)
YYC-BNE 12,468 (q)
YYC-PER 15,384 (q)
MIA-PER 18,230 (q)
MIA-SYD 14,938 (q)
MIA-BNE 14,670 (q)

As per Novagirl17's post, Nov 28, 2016
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

As per Beavertails on 2018-01-08:
YOW-PER = 18,121
YUL-PER = 18,194
YHZ-PER = 18,462

As per ffsim on 2018-02-14:
YUL-SYD = 15,968

North America-Indian Subcontinent
-YVR-MLE: 14270 (q)


North America-Northern South America

North America-Southern South America
YVR-LIM 8364 (q)
SEA-LIM 8170 (q)
YVR-SCL 10813 (q) Apr 1, 2017
YVR-EZE 11,557 (q) May 10, 2017

North America-East, West & South Africa
YVR-JNB 16362 (q)
YVR-CPT 16108 (q)
YVR-LVI 15420 (q)
YVR-VFA 15474 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YVR-MRU 16700 (q)
YVR-SEZ 14956 (q)
YVR-MQX 12844 (q)
YYJ-MRU 16718 (q)
LAX-MRU 18356 (q)
SFO-MRU 17998 (q)
LAX-JNB 16585 (q)
SFO-JNB 16863 (q)
YYZ-SEZ 13750 (q)
YYZ-JNB 13268
JFK-MRU 14790

North America- Middle East
YVR - FRU 9935 (q)
YVR - TAS 10,100




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Aeroplan City Pair mileage (new pseudo-MPM)

Old Dec 31, 2016, 8:05 am
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Ask the agent for the MPM for YVR-JNB and YVR-LED and ensure you stay under these.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 9:04 am
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i imagine its your return leg from JNB that caused the denial in option 1.

JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 16,481
JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 14,941

The quoted YVR-JNB in the thread wiki is 16,158. The first one exceeds it by ~300 miles

MPM is not calculated on the entire round trip mileage. Its calculated per direction. The route in each direction (origin to farthest point & farthest point back to origin) has to fit within the city-pair mileage allowance.

Your BKK thing probably wont work either. YVR-BKK is quoted to be around 12,150 in the thread wiki, and BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR is over 12.5K.
It's close though, and the route has some wastage, so 2 ideas
1. if you can take a more direct route to LED instead of to ARN and back (geographically), it could probably work. Maybe a connection in Moscow instead of Stockholm (no idea if it even exists, just throwing it out there)?
2. if you use a different city than YYZ home that shortens the flight path, like via FRA, or even ZRH. YYZ is a big detour (it might look like a straight line on a flat map but on a sphere its way out of the way)

Originally Posted by drvannostren
So I'm still a bit confused as to how this all works.

What I'm thinking of booking is YVR-JNB-BKK-YVR. Alternatively, I'd be interested in YVR-LED-BKK-YVR (in either order).

So I called today and had...
YVR-LHR-JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR (total 26,824)
denied.

But...
YVR-LHR-JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR (total 25,284)
Approved.

Did I really go over with the extra 1,600? Or am I doing something wrong? I still can never tell if I'm ok or not unless the flights are in kind of a straight line.

So as I said I'm also interested in YVR-LED-BKK-YVR...what I'm looking at is like...

YVR-PEK-BKK-ZRH-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR or something like that. But based on the lines on gcmap, I can't imagine it would be approved, so I tried to straighten it up a bit. YVR-PEK-BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR. Would either of these work? If not, is there a way to include these 2 cities together, or is it just a non-starter?

YVR-NRT-BKK-IST-ZAG-LED-ARN-PEK-YVR?
YVR-NRT-BKK-IST-ZAG-LED-CPH-YYZ-YVR?

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Old Dec 31, 2016, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Cerenity
i imagine its your return leg from JNB that caused the denial in option 1.

JNB-ADD-DXB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 16,481
JNB-BKK-ICN-LAX-YVR is 14,941

The quoted YVR-JNB in the thread wiki is 16,158. The first one exceeds it by ~300 miles

MPM is not calculated on the entire round trip mileage. Its calculated per direction. The route in each direction (origin to farthest point & farthest point back to origin) has to fit within the city-pair mileage allowance.

Your BKK thing probably wont work either. YVR-BKK is quoted to be around 12,150 in the thread wiki, and BKK-ARN-LED-WAW-YYZ-YVR is over 12.5K.
It's close though, and the route has some wastage, so 2 ideas
1. if you can take a more direct route to LED instead of to ARN and back (geographically), it could probably work. Maybe a connection in Moscow instead of Stockholm (no idea if it even exists, just throwing it out there)?
2. if you use a different city than YYZ home that shortens the flight path, like via FRA, or even ZRH. YYZ is a big detour (it might look like a straight line on a flat map but on a sphere its way out of the way)
Thanks very much, I think this sheds a bit of light for me on how to do this without just having to call them for approval.

FWIW, I was tooling around on the AP website and YVR-BKK-LED-YVR is valid, but one direction seems to be forced through Europe. I kinda wanted to avoid that, because sometimes finding availability not on LH is a bit tough, but now that I know it works I can narrow it down.

One routing that was valid was...

YVR-HKG-BKK (stop) BKK-ARN-LED (stop) LED-FRA-YVR

Problem was it included $900 of "surcharges" assuredly lots of that was LH and then some would've been from TG. So I just gotta try and find more LX/SK flights.

But again, thanks for the detailed post and for the comment about YYZ, because it does LOOK like a pretty good shot from CPH-YYZ, but I'll try ZRH or others.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 3:39 pm
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Could someone add YVR-NBO MPM.
Thanks.
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Old Dec 31, 2016, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Novagirl17
YHZ-MEL, 17,460
YHZ-SYD, 16,735
YHZ-AKL, 15,068

YYZ-AKL, 15,108 (this is what I was given, use w caution, it seems like an error, or I don't understand why via the hub YYZ is more than YHZ, which is further, and requires an additional segment)
Added these to the wiki, thanks.
Did not add the YYZ-AKL value, as someone already has a quoted MPM for this in the wiki, and it's quite a bit lower than what you were quoted.
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Old Jan 3, 2017, 5:01 pm
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Minor news, just called AP to get clarification on something...I also asked what the MPM was for YVR-JNB, it's now 16392, a small increase from before.

This is as of Jan 3, 2017.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 1:54 pm
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Anyone have the YYZ-LHR number?
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by anorg90
Anyone have the YYZ-LHR number?
Why would you need that number? (serious question). Unless you wanted to stop in ... say ... Gander or Greenland, there's nothing you can do to stop in between -- and literally ANY other point you choose will be further, hence requiring THAT point to become the MPM you need.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Why would you need that number? (serious question). Unless you wanted to stop in ... say ... Gander or Greenland, there's nothing you can do to stop in between -- and literally ANY other point you choose will be further, hence requiring THAT point to become the MPM you need.
Why would you assume so? You can book YYZ-FRA via IST, so routing YYZ-LHR via something like MUC or VIE should be doable.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 3:12 pm
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Originally Posted by YYT82
Why would you assume so? You can book YYZ-FRA via IST, so routing YYZ-LHR via something like MUC or VIE should be doable.
But my point is, *any* nonstop routing to LHR will be legal, and the moment you stop *anywhere*, that will be further than LHR so that will be the new MPM.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 4:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
But my point is, *any* nonstop routing to LHR will be legal, and the moment you stop *anywhere*, that will be further than LHR so that will be the new MPM.
​​​​​​​Yeah, that makes sense.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
Why would you need that number? (serious question). Unless you wanted to stop in ... say ... Gander or Greenland, there's nothing you can do to stop in between -- and literally ANY other point you choose will be further, hence requiring THAT point to become the MPM you need.
Trying to route YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR-ZRH-YUL-YYZ on LX (for the no YQ and for the service). I couldn't come up with a way that put me with a turn in ZRH to make it the MPM destination
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by anorg90
Trying to route YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR-ZRH-YUL-YYZ on LX (for the no YQ and for the service). I couldn't come up with a way that put me with a turn in ZRH to make it the MPM destination
I'm willing to bet with 99% certainty that this would be allowed. You'd probably have to call in, as this won't show up online, but it should be no problem.
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 6:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
But my point is, *any* nonstop routing to LHR will be legal, and the moment you stop *anywhere*, that will be further than LHR so that will be the new MPM.
YYZ-YYT-LHR
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Old Jan 25, 2017, 7:00 pm
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Originally Posted by anorg90
Trying to route YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR-ZRH-YUL-YYZ on LX (for the no YQ and for the service). I couldn't come up with a way that put me with a turn in ZRH to make it the MPM destination
YYZ-ORD-FRA-LHR is valid - I've booked it before. YYZ-YUL-ZRH-LHR is under that.
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