May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
Jul 29, 2016, 6:39 pm
#6586
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But....there was actually nothing to complain about, seriously
I took a PAID (price error, $270 CAD/round-trip) flight YYZ-CDG on AC 788 earlier 2016, really about the same good experience besides the IFE difference
I would've taken YYZ-PRG again for the nonstop (I paid extra $28 YQ b/c of it, well worth it) vs. a say YYZ-YUL-ZRH-PRG on LX option
Nobody really flies nonstop to PRG, for one
Although now SN flies YYZ-BRU, I MAY go for YYZ-BRU-PRG in Y, if available.
For Business, definitely SN or 1-stop alternatives over ACr nonstop
Jul 29, 2016, 7:14 pm
#6587
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I broke down and did a rogue LAS-YVR and MCO-YYZ this month. One airbus, one B767. Both in "j". just 'ok' for a few-hour flight. " j" seat pitch seemed about the same as a AC dash8, or a Southwest 738.
Y legroom seems about on par with the bottom feeder US carriers (Allegiant/Spirit/Frontier). Which is to say, inhumane.
Had I been on a route with less than 2-3 scheduled daily flights I would have never considered flying rogue.
Y legroom seems about on par with the bottom feeder US carriers (Allegiant/Spirit/Frontier). Which is to say, inhumane.
Had I been on a route with less than 2-3 scheduled daily flights I would have never considered flying rogue.
Jul 29, 2016, 10:53 pm
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So here were are 439 pages, 6,585 posts and rouge is still here.
Somewhere between post 3,770 (mine, on Sept 14, 2014) and now, I posted that I believed rouge would become Air Canada's mainline operation in North America. I said that the PLH transcon routes along with the key high-profile international routes, would remained Air Canada branded.
Somewhere between post 3,770 (mine, on Sept 14, 2014) and now, I posted that I believed rouge would become Air Canada's mainline operation in North America. I said that the PLH transcon routes along with the key high-profile international routes, would remained Air Canada branded.
Look at the comparable service on LAXSFO on DL...
Jul 30, 2016, 9:29 am
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There are a couple of reasons I believe what I predicted:
1. If you read this entire thread, especially posts from the AC reps along with news announcements, over the period of a few years, the reason rouge was launched has been modified. The routes that were part of the original plan have changed, such that routes that were ML became rouge and of course, some were un-rouged (no disagreement with adding new routes that could not be maintained by ML).
2. The original message was that rouge would be LCC and leisure routes.
It turned out rouge was low cost only to AC as the fares were the same as ML with less offerings (even on the same routes, plus less comfort in Y)
So, since I didn't place $$$ on my personal assumption and since I don't fly rouge, it is less relevant to me.
Anyway, my subtle (?) point in my post (# 6585) was for FTers to read the OP from Dec 2012, then Ben L's comment, then the amusingly sarcastic reply from CloudsBelow reminding the naysayers that ...
.....ROUGE IS STILL HERE
For those who choose to fly them, great, for those who only want what they think is the cheapest ticket, great, and for those if us who choose to do so, there are other options.
Jul 30, 2016, 10:04 am
#6590
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There are a couple of reasons I believe what I predicted:
1. If you read this entire thread, especially posts from the AC reps along with news announcements, over the period of a few years, the reason rouge was launched has been modified. The routes that were part of the original plan have changed, such that routes that were ML became rouge and of course, some were un-rouged (no disagreement with adding new routes that could not be maintained by ML).
2. The original message was that rouge would be LCC and leisure routes.
It turned out rouge was low cost only to AC as the fares were the same as ML with less offerings (even on the same routes, plus less comfort in Y)
So, since I didn't place $$$ on my personal assumption and since I don't fly rouge, it is less relevant to me.
Anyway, my subtle (?) point in my post (# 6585) was for FTers to read the OP from Dec 2012, then Ben L's comment, then the amusingly sarcastic reply from CloudsBelow reminding the naysayers that ...
.....ROUGE IS STILL HERE
For those who choose to fly them, great, for those who only want what they think is the cheapest ticket, great, and for those if us who choose to do so, there are other options.
1. If you read this entire thread, especially posts from the AC reps along with news announcements, over the period of a few years, the reason rouge was launched has been modified. The routes that were part of the original plan have changed, such that routes that were ML became rouge and of course, some were un-rouged (no disagreement with adding new routes that could not be maintained by ML).
2. The original message was that rouge would be LCC and leisure routes.
It turned out rouge was low cost only to AC as the fares were the same as ML with less offerings (even on the same routes, plus less comfort in Y)
So, since I didn't place $$$ on my personal assumption and since I don't fly rouge, it is less relevant to me.
Anyway, my subtle (?) point in my post (# 6585) was for FTers to read the OP from Dec 2012, then Ben L's comment, then the amusingly sarcastic reply from CloudsBelow reminding the naysayers that ...
.....ROUGE IS STILL HERE
For those who choose to fly them, great, for those who only want what they think is the cheapest ticket, great, and for those if us who choose to do so, there are other options.
Unless.. I mean if they are going to paint red pain on the tailfins of those brand new planes. There are 61 of them... coming
Jul 30, 2016, 10:08 am
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I don't see the connection between my post above your your questions below it.
The topics are not the same, nor did you specifically indicate if you were asking me these questions or the FT universe in general.
Jul 30, 2016, 10:14 am
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Sorry, Maybe should have quoted that also.
I guess I will rephrase the question again, if you believe Rouge would become AC's mainline operation in NA, that would suggest that most of the new incoming 737 Max would be under rouge banner?
Jul 30, 2016, 11:47 am
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"I posted that I believed rouge would become Air Canada's mainline operation in North America. I said that the PLH transcon routes along with the key high-profile international routes, would remained Air Canada branded."
Sorry, Maybe should have quoted that also.
I guess I will rephrase the question again, if you believe Rouge would become AC's mainline operation in NA, that would suggest that most of the new incoming 737 Max would be under rouge banner?
Sorry, Maybe should have quoted that also.
I guess I will rephrase the question again, if you believe Rouge would become AC's mainline operation in NA, that would suggest that most of the new incoming 737 Max would be under rouge banner?
No.
What I believe may happen has nothing to do with what AC plans to do with its new 737s.
Other airlines operate 737 variations on transcon routes, so why would AC be any different. They seem to have enough birds to manage their international (and summer) rouge route capacity. I make that assumption since AC is able to get people to and fro.
I have no experience with the 737 MAX obviously, but I enjoyed my 739 flights on AS (eg. ANC-LAX 5-6 hours) and my 738 flights on AA (3-5 hours, various).
Jul 30, 2016, 3:16 pm
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Absent some kind of massive shake-up to the labour agreements with AC pilots, the 737s are certainly headed for mainline. The labour agreements, IMO, are the elephant in the room as far as how much Rouge can be expanded.
Jul 30, 2016, 4:40 pm
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todays Globe and Mail has Calin saying they are looking into expanding Rouge beyond the 50 planes depending on conversations with Pilots.
reality is the 787 seating in Y is already Rouge.
reality is the 787 seating in Y is already Rouge.
Jul 31, 2016, 5:52 am
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Jul 31, 2016, 10:44 am
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No.
What I believe may happen has nothing to do with what AC plans to do with its new 737s.
Other airlines operate 737 variations on transcon routes, so why would AC be any different. They seem to have enough birds to manage their international (and summer) rouge route capacity. I make that assumption since AC is able to get people to and fro.
I have no experience with the 737 MAX obviously, but I enjoyed my 739 flights on AS (eg. ANC-LAX 5-6 hours) and my 738 flights on AA (3-5 hours, various).
What I believe may happen has nothing to do with what AC plans to do with its new 737s.
Other airlines operate 737 variations on transcon routes, so why would AC be any different. They seem to have enough birds to manage their international (and summer) rouge route capacity. I make that assumption since AC is able to get people to and fro.
I have no experience with the 737 MAX obviously, but I enjoyed my 739 flights on AS (eg. ANC-LAX 5-6 hours) and my 738 flights on AA (3-5 hours, various).
But hey..what do I know right?
Jul 31, 2016, 11:25 am
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Jul 31, 2016, 11:25 am
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I don't know what you know.
Otherwise, I've always thought LH did an interesting job dividing mainline routes under the LH banner (say premium or high-profile) with other routes moved to germanwings
As someone wiser than me mentioned here, LH also made sure that the brands and communication were differentiated from LH.
AC and rouge did not. IMO and that of others.
Plus, the goal posts kept moving. If you read this entire thread, you'll see what I mean. (One of my favourite sections deals with the original "J" version of the seats for the rouge aircraft versus the ultimate replacements. Pillow in the middle anyone?)
Same thing with the goofy Disney training. I am not taking the kids to See Mickey and Minnie so that service attitude is not appealing to me, and certainly not on routes that are not "leisure" in the first place.
Anyway, we can argue about that until hell freezes over which should be ....
Jul 31, 2016, 11:27 am
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No doubt the new 737s will be rouge style seating (more, closer together and less non revenue space such as galleys and washrooms). But the C series will be fascinating - it's making its mark so far as being spacious. I'm sure AC will find a way to do away with that.