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Old May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
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Flights operated by Air Canada rouge

NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087

Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.

All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.

Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.

Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR

*Seasonal Summer Service

YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)

USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)

Mexico
CUN PVR SJD

Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)

Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW

Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY

YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA

Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)

Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP

Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE

Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)

Africa
CMN

YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)

USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)

YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)

Mexico
CUN PVR

Asia
KIX

Europe
DUB LGA KEF


What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 1:58 pm
  #6526  
 
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Originally Posted by epiphani
My comparison would be the difference between taking a city bus and a greyhound bus. Both kinda suck (in economy), but the level of discomfort you get from being crowded into a city bus for a long trip vs a greyhound bus for a long trip... actually has more to do with your fellow passengers than the product.

I would personally take the layover for mainline.
In my experience you actually have more room on a Greyhound bus than rouge economy and more comfortable seats as well.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 2:01 pm
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I see that AC will be flying a rouge 763 and rouge 319 daily to Barbados this winter (as well as a 319 out of YUL 3 days a week). Would it not make more sense to go back to the 777 instead on using two aircraft?
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 2:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Northern Canuck
I see that AC will be flying a rouge 763 and rouge 319 daily to Barbados this winter (as well as a 319 out of YUL 3 days a week). Would it not make more sense to go back to the 777 instead on using two aircraft?
I would assume no, since you know, AC knows the load factors.

Sorry, dude, I think that one time you had the 772 was one and only time you were going to get it.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Northern Canuck
I see that AC will be flying a rouge 763 and rouge 319 daily to Barbados this winter (as well as a 319 out of YUL 3 days a week). Would it not make more sense to go back to the 777 instead on using two aircraft?
Considering the 77L that operated the route has 300 seats vs the 416 that a rouge 767 + 319 offers, No.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by ffsim
Precisely. This "pax are cheap" argument grows more tiresome everyday as there's mounting evidence that the paying public isn't saving any money.

It's been said a million times: rouge is an LCC to the airline, not to the passengers.
But I did see Toronto-Dublin return in Rouge for under $450..hard to say that is not value.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330
Considering the 77L that operated the route has 300 seats vs the 416 that a rouge 767 + 319 offers, No.
And a 'slave ship' has upwards of 400 seats.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 6:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Northern Canuck
And a 'slave ship' has upwards of 400 seats.
And BGI is a leisure route that is most likely filled with ACV pax.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Northern Canuck
And a 'slave ship' has upwards of 400 seats.
Which they've never operated to BGI.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 7:09 pm
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And your point is? 400 seats is 400 seats. AC seems to think they can fill 400 seats on two planes rather than use one and then there are the the seats from YUL 3 days a week. Why wouldn't they direct YUL passengers through YYZ? AFAIK there are no other airlines flying direct, non-stop YUL-BGI so no competition.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 7:10 pm
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330
Which they've never operated to BGI.
So? They never operated a rouge 763 until last year.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 7:11 pm
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Originally Posted by Northern Canuck
And your point is? 400 seats is 400 seats. AC seems to think they can fill 400 seats on two planes rather than use one and then there are the the seats from YUL 3 days a week. Why wouldn't they direct YUL passengers through YYZ? AFAIK there are no other airlines flying direct, non-stop YUL-BGI so no competition.
Because they can make more money sending their 777 fleet to other destinations and get a proper yield for J class...simple as that.

and there's enough demand to offer non-stop service from YUL which offers better costs to AC then routing pax via YYZ for the same fare.
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Old Jul 5, 2016, 8:26 pm
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You're not getting a pod. Accept it and move on.
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Old Jul 6, 2016, 5:26 am
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Originally Posted by ChrisA330
Considering the 77L that operated the route has 300 seats vs the 416 that a rouge 767 + 319 offers, No.
It will be interesting to see how many of the 416 seats they can sell and what it does to the yield.

A few years back (sorry can't remember the year) we had a mainline 767 and 319 during the Winter season. I believe it was for only on season.

Is the Montreal flight mainline or Rouge?
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Old Jul 6, 2016, 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by B767
It will be interesting to see how many of the 416 seats they can sell and what it does to the yield.

A few years back (sorry can't remember the year) we had a mainline 767 and 319 during the Winter season. I believe it was for only on season.

Is the Montreal flight mainline or Rouge?
Montreal is mainline 319 Wed Sat Sun.
Yes it will be interesting. I was surprised with the announcement since the CDN dollar is lower than in 2013, when they had the two flights/day (I think) and with the Bajan dollar tied to the USD, Barbados has not become cheaper.
Last edited by Northern Canuck; Jul 6, 2016 at 6:28 am
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Old Jul 6, 2016, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by greg898
I was just looking for a flight from Toronto to Barcelona and saw that Rouge appears to be my only non-stop option. I've seen all the reviews saying avoid Rouge like the plague but my only other option would be to spend $100 more to have a 4 hour layover in Frankfurt. Is Rouge's economy really that much worse than regular economy?
I flew YYZ-PRG last week in rouge 767, the only nonstop option anyway

Actually good experience, IFE worked on my Android tablets/laptoo
so I'd recommend it for you also
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