May 5, 2014, 8:21 pm
Last edit by: Arcanum
Flights operated by Air Canada rouge
NOTE: Rouge Wifi information can be found here
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-c...l#post28448087
Dates in brackets indicate planned start of rouge service (either as a new route or replacing mainline service). ML placed before a date indicates the date that service is reverting to mainline.
All Airbus A319/A321 service is in the new Premium Rouge configuration with 2x2J seats. All other routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft in a 24J/258Y layout.
Airport codes in blue indicate that these routes are Boeing 767-300ER aircraft for all services.
Airport codes in red indicate that these routes are split between Boeing 767-300ER and Airbus services.
Airport codes in black indicate that these routes are Airbus aircraft for all services.
Routes are organized based on the established rouge bases of YYZ, YUL, YYC, and YVR
*Seasonal Summer Service
YYZ
Canada
YQT YQY YXX YLW YYG (02MAY-OCT) YDF YQB YQM (01MAY19) YFC (01JUL19)
USA
MCO TPA LAS FLL HNL SRQ RSW SAN PHX MIA PSP (14DEC16)
Mexico
CUN PVR SJD
Caribbean
KIN NAS LIR GND MBJ AZS CCC CUR HUX PUJ POP SKB SJO SXM LRM HOG SNU UVF VRA BGI (07JAN) POS (21DEC16)
Europe
ATH BCN EDI VCE MAN LIS PRG BUD GLA LGW
Central and South America
LIM BOG PTY
YUL
USA
LAS MCO FLL PBI TPA MIA
Mexico
CUN MEX PVR (18NOV16)
Caribbean
ZSA CCC HOG PUJ SNU PLS POP PAP NAS (17JAN) PTP
Europe
FCO ATH BCN NCE VCE
Central and South America
SJO (22DEC16)
Africa
CMN
YYC
Canada
YHZ* YHM (2016)
USA
LAS PHX (winter only - PHX AC Express in summer)
YVR
USA
LAS HNL OGG PHX PSP KOA SAN (02JUN)
Mexico
CUN PVR
Asia
KIX
Europe
DUB LGA KEF
What to Do If Your Flight Has Been Rouged According to the AC Rep "Air Canada Altitude": call AC Reservations, cancel and get a refund.
Air Canada rouge, a leisure airline
May 2, 2015, 11:48 am
#4951
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YVR-LAX = 1081 mi x 0.50 = 541 AQM on Tango
...and of course they round down on the Canadian route!
But yeah, my clients generally reimburse for Tango plus Preferred, so I upfare to Flex when I can, but I qualify on segments not miles.
I've tried your method several times (though I won't ever attempt to go head-to-head) and have found it to be incredibly effective as a short-term solution only. Tends to make things considerably worse the next day.
May 2, 2015, 1:07 pm
#4952
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May 2, 2015, 1:38 pm
#4953
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Does anyone know for sure what the diff between the 319 Rouge and ML seat is? Many have felt knees....and some have speculated that on the Rouge spec that they take out the back protector or something?
I tried to figure what this thing was when I was on the 320 ML seat since I assume it's the same as the 319. I couldn't feel anything metallic in the lower back rest part. Does anyone know (for sure! - ideally someone with aviation design knowledge) what the difference is or if it's just b/c seat pitch is reduced so we don't have that issue on the ML spec?
Or the next week...
I tried to figure what this thing was when I was on the 320 ML seat since I assume it's the same as the 319. I couldn't feel anything metallic in the lower back rest part. Does anyone know (for sure! - ideally someone with aviation design knowledge) what the difference is or if it's just b/c seat pitch is reduced so we don't have that issue on the ML spec?
Or the next week...
May 2, 2015, 2:58 pm
#4954
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The rouge 319 seats are a newer slimline seat. The way they seem to be designed is there is no real 'barrier' in the backrests and given the tighter pitch you may feel the person behind's knees.
Personally, I don't have an issue with the seat comfort on rouge (except for the 29" pitch in Y-). Never been on a rouge 763 either.
When reading comments about seat comfort I always keep in mind that this is incredibly personal and subjective so since we all have different bodies we all have different experiences
May 2, 2015, 8:26 pm
#4955
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This would be sort of an odd thing to lie about, wouldn't it?
Flightradar doesn't go that far back, so I can't get you the fin number, so you'll just have to take on faith that that flight is a Rouge 763 and has been for ages now.
Anyway, if you're simply going to tell me I don't get to have an opinion on this, I'm not sure what more there is to discuss here. If you enjoy the Y seats on Rouge, please feel entirely free to fly them as much as you like.
I hate them, based on personal experience on short-haul, so I don't need to try it out on a long-haul route to know I'd hate that too.
Flightradar doesn't go that far back, so I can't get you the fin number, so you'll just have to take on faith that that flight is a Rouge 763 and has been for ages now.
Anyway, if you're simply going to tell me I don't get to have an opinion on this, I'm not sure what more there is to discuss here. If you enjoy the Y seats on Rouge, please feel entirely free to fly them as much as you like.
I hate them, based on personal experience on short-haul, so I don't need to try it out on a long-haul route to know I'd hate that too.
May 2, 2015, 8:34 pm
#4956
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This was the core of my question, thanks for highlighting this. Outside of conjecture, was there really a barrier on the ML 319 seats that doesnt' exist on the Rouge seats? Or is this purely conjecture b/c of the decreased seat pitch?
May 2, 2015, 11:28 pm
#4957
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Location: YUL
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FWIW, the extra-legroom seats on the ACr 767 I flew to LAS was perfectly satisfactory for the duration of a flight that long. No way I'd want to cross an ocean on that thing.
May 3, 2015, 12:33 am
#4958
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Location: YOW
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May 3, 2015, 1:13 am
#4959
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fin 252
AC Rouge 319 fin 252 in YVR this morning with the new 2x2 Premium seating, looks attractive compared to the blocked centre bank of three.
Ramp Roscoe
YVR
Ramp Roscoe
YVR
May 3, 2015, 2:19 am
#4960
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May 3, 2015, 9:11 am
#4961
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Anyone have any insight on how long it will be until they refit the rest of the 319's?
May 3, 2015, 9:12 am
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May 3, 2015, 3:33 pm
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Hopefully they stick them on YVR-SFO 
May 3, 2015, 3:40 pm
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On another note, are all 20 rouge 319s going to get this new seating, or will there still be some in the old layout (as some flights have been sold as all-Y)?
May 3, 2015, 3:44 pm
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I think on the ML seats the seat back is bit harder so there is some kind of barrier, plus of course the seat back is thicker and more pitch.
On another note, are all 20 rouge 319s going to get this new seating, or will there still be some in the old layout (as some flights have been sold as all-Y)?
On another note, are all 20 rouge 319s going to get this new seating, or will there still be some in the old layout (as some flights have been sold as all-Y)?
Last edited by superangrypenguin; May 3, 2015 at 3:50 pm