sp4294

Um, that's not what happened to me about a year ago. Had no problem with a OJ in Europe in the middle of a mini (same zone). Maybe they've tightened that up? I've also been told before that you can't do the OJ at the end! Who knows with some the reps...

Pseudo Nim

You'd only be allowed to open jaw in YYZ (i.e. you would depart YYZ and return, say, to YUL), *or* in SIN (i.e. you arrive to SIN, but depart, say, from NRT). So unfortunately, you should strongly consider NOT arriving to LHR, because a) you will pay crazy AC fuel surcharges, and b) your onward connection will be LHR-SIN, so the Air Passenger Duty you will pay will be HUGE.

I would recommend flying into a relatively neutral city, i.e. ZRH, BLQ, or hell, even CDG, and either taking the train in, or sign up for an Amex Platinum, get some Avios points, and redeem for an intra-Europe flight using either BA or Avios.com - they have literally infinite availability on internal BA flights, so you could hop over to LHR, do what you need, fly back out to your city of origin and continue your trip.

I did YUL-ZRH-MUC-BLQ, then BLQ-LHR-BLQ, then BLQ-IST-SIN, etc.

sp4294

Heartily agree with this alternative...much simpler, though a bit more expensive.

flyCsG

Darn, this is more complicated than I thought.

I actually found a United flight for YYZ-LHR (don't mind the layover in US) to avoid the Air Canada fuel surcharge. But I guess if the itinerary doesn't work, then it's kinda pointless. Didn't think about the passenger duty though - thanks for pointing that out.

Will look into Avios/local European airlines alternatives. Thanks.

sp4294

Departing LHR after a stopover is to be avoided at all costs. Transiting/connecting is much more bearable cost wise, so use PseudoNim's advice and use Avios or take the Chunnel to LON. Also consider airlines like LX,TK,UA,US,(SN?),MK,BR,CA to avoid extra YQ "scam" charges when booking with AE. There is a complete list on here somewhere...

BMGfan

I was under the understanding that departing London intra-europe wasn't too bad. But departing London intercontinental was to be avoided at all costs...

Pseudo Nim

This is correct. Sorry - we went with the OP's statement that he's going on to Singapore after. Of course, if he were to go to FRA or something, and spend 24 hours and 1 minute there, then all would be well.

krayZpaving

You could fly London to Paris (via FRA or CPH maybe), rather than having it open-jaw.

flyCsG

Thanks guys! CDG was just a random stop. It's my first time traveling to Europe and would like to go someplace other than London.

Yul_voyager

You can still fly to CDG (via ZRH for example to avoid YQ) and take the train from CDG to London (it takes 3h, knowing that LHR - London takes 1h, there is no much difference). Then CDG - IST - SIN ... for example

rataplan

Can someone do me a favour and look up the MPM5 for YYC-CPT? Thanks!

Pseudo Nim

Here you go:

rataplan

thanks ^

erik19283

I am not sure about where I could or would like to stop for less than 24 hours on my way to where I want to go at the moment, but would something like this be possible?

ICN - IST - BCN (stop for 10 days or maybe a week more)
BCN - YUL (Stop for about 2 weeks)
YUL - TLV (stop for a few days)
TLV - ICN

Shenanigans

OK, back to the drawing board. Going to forego Australia for another time.

Here's the latest "plan". Is this doable?

YYC-LAX AC BUSINESS E90
LAX-ICN OZ FIRST 744
ICN-HKG OZ BUSINESS 744
HKG-BKK TG FIRST 744
BKK-DPS TG BUSINESS 330 (TURN)
DPS-BKK TG BUSINESS 330 (STOP)
BKK-CDG TG FIRST 380 (STOP)
CDG-FRA LH BUSINESS 319
FRA-YVR LH ECONOMY 346 (would look for F two weeks out)
YVR-YYC AC BUSINESS 320

1. Adding DPS to this makes it an Asia2, correct? And therefore 180K miles versus 175K?

2. Should a person actually book the FRA-YVR in economy and hope that F comes available or should one be looking at something in F (UA?) to ORD or something like that in order to be guaranteed F? Presumably one could still change to the LH F if it were to come open?

3 I believe the two stops after the turn are allowed, no?

TIA for any help.