Mini RTW Questions
Oct 7, 2013, 6:19 pm
#1726
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It's fine, although I wouldn't repeat it on a regular basis by any means.
Oct 7, 2013, 6:23 pm
#1727
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Does anyone know what happens when there is no MPM published between the two cities, then what?
Oct 7, 2013, 6:53 pm
#1728
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: MR Plat
Posts: 383
Newbie at this, and pretty excited but I'm having trouble at figuring this stuff out so hopefully someone can help...
We're looking for 2 J awards with main stops in SFO, HKG, ZRH. Start and end point is YYZ.
Is there anyway that this is possible? From what I can see from calculating the mileages, it doesn't seem to be... unless we go farther like SIN and backtrack?
We're looking for 2 J awards with main stops in SFO, HKG, ZRH. Start and end point is YYZ.
Is there anyway that this is possible? From what I can see from calculating the mileages, it doesn't seem to be... unless we go farther like SIN and backtrack?
Since YYZ-SFO-HKG is 9,150 and HKG-ZRH-YYZ is 9,800, this means it should be OK, right?
If yes (yay!), are there any preferred routings/carriers for those destinations that avoid scamcharges?
Oct 7, 2013, 6:55 pm
#1729
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the air
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Posts: 6,924
it seems my understanding of MPM is flawed, and YYZ-SFO-HKG-ZRH-YYZ might actually be possible. From a post in 2011, unless it's changed, the MPM for YYZ-HKG via Pacific is 9838 and via Atlantic is 12824.
Since YYZ-SFO-HKG is 9,150 and HKG-ZRH-YYZ is 9,800, this means it should be OK, right?
If yes (yay!), are there any preferred routings/carriers for those destinations that avoid scamcharges?
Since YYZ-SFO-HKG is 9,150 and HKG-ZRH-YYZ is 9,800, this means it should be OK, right?
If yes (yay!), are there any preferred routings/carriers for those destinations that avoid scamcharges?
Suggested airlines are SN, LX, TK, CA, UA/US (yuck), SQ. OZ/TG/NH/AC will incur fuel surcharges. LH will incur TREMENDOUS fuel surcharges. Only use them when you are really, really, really stuck.
Oct 7, 2013, 9:34 pm
#1730
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YVR
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Posts: 197
Do you guys know if there is any route that would allow for a Mini RTW using the NA-South America reward in J? are there any other continents it would allow, perhaps Europe or am I completely dreaming for some ridiculous MPM.
Oct 7, 2013, 9:42 pm
#1731
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
Didn't someone post about going YYZ or JFK to PER via S. America and JNB?
Oct 7, 2013, 9:47 pm
#1732
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[edit] strange, no MPM over the Atlantic published, and yet, I've seen itins here that do it.
[edit 2] here are a few posts talking about PER/JNB. Definitely no South America
It is a valid routing with the following easy fix:
SFO-ICN UA or OZ (<24 hr overnight connection)
ICN-SIN OZ (<24 hr overnight connection)
SIN-PER SQ (Stop)
PER-JNB SA (Stop) - TURN
JNB-IST TK (stop)
IST-ORD LX (connection)
ORD-SFO UA
The only issue is that the Turn is JNB, and with no special promtional mileage offering for South Africa, I need to make the TURN in PER, and skip JNB and save over 70,000 miles per person.
SFO-ICN UA or OZ (<24 hr overnight connection)
ICN-SIN OZ (<24 hr overnight connection)
SIN-PER SQ (Stop)
PER-JNB SA (Stop) - TURN
JNB-IST TK (stop)
IST-ORD LX (connection)
ORD-SFO UA
The only issue is that the Turn is JNB, and with no special promtional mileage offering for South Africa, I need to make the TURN in PER, and skip JNB and save over 70,000 miles per person.
Booked for April/May 2013
YVR - YYZ AC J
YYZ - JFK AC Y (for 1:39 I can suck it up)
JFK - JNB SA J
JNB -VFA SA J (open jaw, 32 day stop)
JNB - PER SA J (9 day stop)
PER - SIN SQ J (<24 hr stop)
SIN - (ICN) - SFO SQ J
SFO - YVR AC J
150,000 points; $301 in taxes; all long hauls with lie flat beds = priceless!
Once I figure out what I'm doing in Africa for a month, I may try to add an extra segment or so - extra $90 has to be less than a fare, right?
YVR - YYZ AC J
YYZ - JFK AC Y (for 1:39 I can suck it up)
JFK - JNB SA J
JNB -VFA SA J (open jaw, 32 day stop)
JNB - PER SA J (9 day stop)
PER - SIN SQ J (<24 hr stop)
SIN - (ICN) - SFO SQ J
SFO - YVR AC J
150,000 points; $301 in taxes; all long hauls with lie flat beds = priceless!
Once I figure out what I'm doing in Africa for a month, I may try to add an extra segment or so - extra $90 has to be less than a fare, right?
Thought I would ask everyone's view. I am booked to start my mini RTW as follows:
YYZ (Y UA) -IAD (J SA) -JNB (J SA) -PER.
The following has JUST opened up:
YYZ (J LH 346) - FRT (J TG 744) - BKK (J TG 330) - PER.
Think it's worth a switch? It would be $200 for Mrs. Allbrosca and I plus some YQ from LH I would think. All J. Never been on TG or SA before and I have some doubts about both. Not all TG J has been updated and it's my understanding that the 340's SA uses on the IAD JNB run are tired. I'm leaning towards leaving it but I thought I would seek other opinions.
Thanks
YYZ (Y UA) -IAD (J SA) -JNB (J SA) -PER.
The following has JUST opened up:
YYZ (J LH 346) - FRT (J TG 744) - BKK (J TG 330) - PER.
Think it's worth a switch? It would be $200 for Mrs. Allbrosca and I plus some YQ from LH I would think. All J. Never been on TG or SA before and I have some doubts about both. Not all TG J has been updated and it's my understanding that the 340's SA uses on the IAD JNB run are tired. I'm leaning towards leaving it but I thought I would seek other opinions.
Thanks
Last edited by Pseudo Nim; Oct 7, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Oct 7, 2013, 10:10 pm
#1733
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I've been thinking about booking a new Mini RTW before the end of the year to avoid enhancements, but what I've come up with wouldn't matter since its point of turnaround would be KTM. I would appreciate it if the experts could weigh in on this one with their thoughts. Just picked some random dates and had availability on all this in J, but not sure if it will exceed MPM or cause a back track violation. It will take about 3 weeks. Aiming for end of September to mid October 2014:
YYZ-ZRH AC 9 hr layover
ZRH-WAW LO 21 hr layover
WAW-VNO LO stop 5 days
VNO-VIE OS 17.5 hr layover
VIE-SZG OS stop 3 days
SZG-VIE OS VIE-BKK BR 23 hr layover
BKK-KTM TG turnaround stop 4 days
KTM-IST TK 23 hr layover
IST-PRG TK 22 hr layover
PRG-MUC LH MUC-YYZ AC or I could just go IST-YYZ on AC or TK
I'm sure the scam charges will be high due to some AC and LH flights. Open to guidance!
Thanks
YYZ-ZRH AC 9 hr layover
ZRH-WAW LO 21 hr layover
WAW-VNO LO stop 5 days
VNO-VIE OS 17.5 hr layover
VIE-SZG OS stop 3 days
SZG-VIE OS VIE-BKK BR 23 hr layover
BKK-KTM TG turnaround stop 4 days
KTM-IST TK 23 hr layover
IST-PRG TK 22 hr layover
PRG-MUC LH MUC-YYZ AC or I could just go IST-YYZ on AC or TK
I'm sure the scam charges will be high due to some AC and LH flights. Open to guidance!
Thanks
Oct 7, 2013, 10:14 pm
#1734
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: YYZ
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I've seen reward flights to JNB from YYZ through GIG. Not sure if you can go on to PER though.
Oct 7, 2013, 10:26 pm
#1735
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
I've been thinking about booking a new Mini RTW before the end of the year to avoid enhancements, but what I've come up with wouldn't matter since its point of turnaround would be KTM. I would appreciate it if the experts could weigh in on this one with their thoughts. Just picked some random dates and had availability on all this in J, but not sure if it will exceed MPM or cause a back track violation. It will take about 3 weeks. Aiming for end of September to mid October 2014:
YYZ-ZRH AC 9 hr layover
ZRH-WAW LO 21 hr layover
WAW-VNO LO stop 5 days
VNO-VIE OS 17.5 hr layover
VIE-SZG OS stop 3 days
SZG-VIE OS VIE-BKK BR 23 hr layover
BKK-KTM TG turnaround stop 4 days
KTM-IST TK 23 hr layover
IST-PRG TK 22 hr layover
PRG-MUC LH MUC-YYZ AC or I could just go IST-YYZ on AC or TK
I'm sure the scam charges will be high due to some AC and LH flights. Open to guidance!
Thanks
YYZ-ZRH AC 9 hr layover
ZRH-WAW LO 21 hr layover
WAW-VNO LO stop 5 days
VNO-VIE OS 17.5 hr layover
VIE-SZG OS stop 3 days
SZG-VIE OS VIE-BKK BR 23 hr layover
BKK-KTM TG turnaround stop 4 days
KTM-IST TK 23 hr layover
IST-PRG TK 22 hr layover
PRG-MUC LH MUC-YYZ AC or I could just go IST-YYZ on AC or TK
I'm sure the scam charges will be high due to some AC and LH flights. Open to guidance!
Thanks
so YYZ-BKK = 12495
As per GCM: YYZ-ZRH-WAW-VNO-VIE-SZG-VIE-BKK-KTM = 12495 so that won't happen,
but YYZ-ZRH-WAW-VNO-VIE-SZG-VIE-BKK = 11111
BKK-KTM-IST-PRG-MUC-YYZ = 9930
AC will hurt you with scam charges and KTM will cost more I suspect.
Other more knowledgeable people will no doubt know more...
Last edited by sp4294; Oct 7, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Oct 7, 2013, 10:37 pm
#1736
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Thanks
Oct 7, 2013, 10:46 pm
#1737
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
I can never figure this MPM stuff out. Are you saying I'm ok to BKK, but not to KTM? Can I change the front end to get to KTM? Do I have 10839 miles to work with? Or 12495? Does it matter that KTM is Indian Subcontinent and requires more points than BKK in determining POT (BKK is Asia 1)?
Thanks
Thanks
KTM may work the way you have it now, but POT is BKK I suspect so I don't think you can make it a stop if you want to keep other stops. Perhaps an OJ might work BKK-KTM, but they are in different zones?
Cost will definitely be more if KTM is involved (if you can even include it), so it depends how they look at KTM - You'll need input from others as I don't know, but your MPM5 to KTM doesn't work via BKK
Oct 7, 2013, 10:51 pm
#1738
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KTM may work the way you have it now, but POT is BKK I suspect so I don't think you can make it a stop if you want to keep other stops. Perhaps an OJ might work BKK-KTM, but they are in different zones?
Cost will definitely be more if KTM is involved (if you can even include it), so it depends how they look at KTM - You'll need input from others as I don't know, but your MPM5 to KTM doesn't work via BKK
Cost will definitely be more if KTM is involved (if you can even include it), so it depends how they look at KTM - You'll need input from others as I don't know, but your MPM5 to KTM doesn't work via BKK
Oct 7, 2013, 11:03 pm
#1739
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So......booked the following tonight. Still have some questions of the learned folks here though.
Spent about five minutes trying to get the phone to ring, spent about ten minutes on hold, and then about 75 minutes getting this done.
YYC-LAX AC I E90
LAX-ICN OZ O 744
ICN-HKG OZ I 744 STOP
HKG-BKK TG O 744
BKK-HKT TG I 773 STOP
HKT-BKK TG I 333 STOP
BKK-CDG TG O 380
CDG-FRA LH X 735
FRA-ORD UA O 744 Hoping to switch this to LH "O" direct to YVR
ORD-YVR UA I 319
YVR-YYC AC I E90
First, the booking classes. I=Business Class, O=First Class, X=Economy. What happened to F & J? Does this seem right? I checked the itinerary on the TG site and it all appears to be correct in terms of the Business and First flights so maybe it is alright?
Also, she was unable to give me a total for taxes, fees, surcharges, miscellaneous. Apparently, on an "urgent" basis, ticketing is supposed to call me tomorrow to advise and get paid. Can somebody give me a ballpark figure as to how much I should be expecting to pay on this?
Spent about five minutes trying to get the phone to ring, spent about ten minutes on hold, and then about 75 minutes getting this done.
YYC-LAX AC I E90
LAX-ICN OZ O 744
ICN-HKG OZ I 744 STOP
HKG-BKK TG O 744
BKK-HKT TG I 773 STOP
HKT-BKK TG I 333 STOP
BKK-CDG TG O 380
CDG-FRA LH X 735
FRA-ORD UA O 744 Hoping to switch this to LH "O" direct to YVR
ORD-YVR UA I 319
YVR-YYC AC I E90
First, the booking classes. I=Business Class, O=First Class, X=Economy. What happened to F & J? Does this seem right? I checked the itinerary on the TG site and it all appears to be correct in terms of the Business and First flights so maybe it is alright?
Also, she was unable to give me a total for taxes, fees, surcharges, miscellaneous. Apparently, on an "urgent" basis, ticketing is supposed to call me tomorrow to advise and get paid. Can somebody give me a ballpark figure as to how much I should be expecting to pay on this?
Oct 7, 2013, 11:25 pm
#1740
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 2,187
So......booked the following tonight. Still have some questions of the learned folks here though.
Spent about five minutes trying to get the phone to ring, spent about ten minutes on hold, and then about 75 minutes getting this done.
YYC-LAX AC I E90
LAX-ICN OZ O 744
ICN-HKG OZ I 744 STOP
HKG-BKK TG O 744
BKK-HKT TG I 773 STOP
HKT-BKK TG I 333 STOP
BKK-CDG TG O 380
CDG-FRA LH X 735
FRA-ORD UA O 744 Hoping to switch this to LH "O" direct to YVR
ORD-YVR UA I 319
YVR-YYC AC I E90
First, the booking classes. I=Business Class, O=First Class, X=Economy. What happened to F & J? Does this seem right? I checked the itinerary on the TG site and it all appears to be correct in terms of the Business and First flights so maybe it is alright?
Also, she was unable to give me a total for taxes, fees, surcharges, miscellaneous. Apparently, on an "urgent" basis, ticketing is supposed to call me tomorrow to advise and get paid. Can somebody give me a ballpark figure as to how much I should be expecting to pay on this?
Spent about five minutes trying to get the phone to ring, spent about ten minutes on hold, and then about 75 minutes getting this done.
YYC-LAX AC I E90
LAX-ICN OZ O 744
ICN-HKG OZ I 744 STOP
HKG-BKK TG O 744
BKK-HKT TG I 773 STOP
HKT-BKK TG I 333 STOP
BKK-CDG TG O 380
CDG-FRA LH X 735
FRA-ORD UA O 744 Hoping to switch this to LH "O" direct to YVR
ORD-YVR UA I 319
YVR-YYC AC I E90
First, the booking classes. I=Business Class, O=First Class, X=Economy. What happened to F & J? Does this seem right? I checked the itinerary on the TG site and it all appears to be correct in terms of the Business and First flights so maybe it is alright?
Also, she was unable to give me a total for taxes, fees, surcharges, miscellaneous. Apparently, on an "urgent" basis, ticketing is supposed to call me tomorrow to advise and get paid. Can somebody give me a ballpark figure as to how much I should be expecting to pay on this?
You can get an idea of cost if you check costs associated with individual flights on a paid ticket ie: using ITA matrix
Your biggest costs in scam charges will be on TG, OZ and LH as your AC flights are domestic and to US and UA has no YQ.
Others here can give you more knowledgeable details.