Jun 6, 2018, 1:40 pm
Last edit by: Kacee
The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
ITA Matrix Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threadsUnited's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs
Oct 28, 2018, 12:53 am
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That's interesting. When I tried to book a TATL flight a week ago on ual.com, I had picked UA metal on outbound and LH metal on inbound. When I went to check the baggage fee page after inputting my *G status, the fee went to $0 on the outbound, but remained at $60 for the first bag on the inbound. That's when I went on to LH's website to double-check. I didn't see the footnote you quoted.
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Oct 28, 2018, 7:31 pm
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Oct 28, 2018, 7:43 pm
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They're trying to transition to killing the *G bag benefit on zero-bag fares, and it's just there to avoid an uproar on currently booked tickets. If you don't notice it, that's what LH wants since it is inevitably going to go away soon.
Nov 1, 2018, 8:18 am
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I'm wondering what the angst is all about, reading this thread.
I've just booked flights for consecutive weekends this month on UA, one to LAX and the other to SFO from LHR. I get full PQM mileage, check bag allowance if I want it (I might not) and E+ seating (wasn't planning on upgrading the TATL legs anyway and wouldn't expect a CPU on a IAH-LAX flight anyway). Something is going to have to go very wrong for me to want to cancel either flight.
The £655 I paid for the two flights is about £300 less than I would normally expect to pay, especially around the Thanksgiving period. The fares might not be for everybody, but I can't fault it.
I've just booked flights for consecutive weekends this month on UA, one to LAX and the other to SFO from LHR. I get full PQM mileage, check bag allowance if I want it (I might not) and E+ seating (wasn't planning on upgrading the TATL legs anyway and wouldn't expect a CPU on a IAH-LAX flight anyway). Something is going to have to go very wrong for me to want to cancel either flight.
The £655 I paid for the two flights is about £300 less than I would normally expect to pay, especially around the Thanksgiving period. The fares might not be for everybody, but I can't fault it.
Nov 4, 2018, 2:45 am
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One question that I cannot see has been covered and might need personal experience to answer.
If a premier member (in this case a 1k) books two tickets on the same PNR, one for himself and one for a general member, do both get the same luggage allowance or does only the 1k member. (It seems pointless denying the GM an allowance as the 1k can simply deposit two cases and say they are both mine).
I do know that E+ is available to both pax as I have tried a dummy booking.
If a premier member (in this case a 1k) books two tickets on the same PNR, one for himself and one for a general member, do both get the same luggage allowance or does only the 1k member. (It seems pointless denying the GM an allowance as the 1k can simply deposit two cases and say they are both mine).
I do know that E+ is available to both pax as I have tried a dummy booking.
Nov 5, 2018, 8:29 am
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If I book a flight in Basic Economy (first bag charge / no changes allowed) with my Miles Explorer Card, will I get the 1st checked bag for free? I would think that when I log in with my credentials, the system would recognize that I'm a United Explorer CC member. But no, it shows me the 4 different options (Basic Economy, Economy, Business and 1st).
I just don't want to be surprised when I get to the airport with my son and have to pay $240 ($120x2).
It says qualifying MileagePlus members get the 1st checked baggage. Does the Miles Explorer card qualify me and my companion?
Thank you
I just don't want to be surprised when I get to the airport with my son and have to pay $240 ($120x2).
It says qualifying MileagePlus members get the 1st checked baggage. Does the Miles Explorer card qualify me and my companion?
Thank you
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 5, 2018 at 4:17 pm Reason: -LGT fare, moved from Basic Economy thread
Nov 5, 2018, 11:31 am
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Every passenger travelling on the same PNR gets this, just like with every other fare. Even worked flawlessly after United did the auto-splitting at T-24.
Experienced this when going to Hawaii in Sept. I had two bags, companion had one, despire fare allowed none at all. No problems, so works just as stated on the UA website.
"Travel companions of MileagePlus Premier members will have the same exemptions as the Premier member whose status provides the benefit, as long as they are traveling on the same reservation. Exemptions do not apply to group reservations of 10 or more customers."
Experienced this when going to Hawaii in Sept. I had two bags, companion had one, despire fare allowed none at all. No problems, so works just as stated on the UA website.
"Travel companions of MileagePlus Premier members will have the same exemptions as the Premier member whose status provides the benefit, as long as they are traveling on the same reservation. Exemptions do not apply to group reservations of 10 or more customers."
Nov 5, 2018, 11:38 am
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If I book a flight in Basic Economy (first bag charge / no changes allowed) with my Miles Explorer Card, will I get the 1st checked bag for free? I would think that when I log in with my credentials, the system would recognize that I'm a United Explorer CC member. But no, it shows me the 4 different options (Basic Economy, Economy, Business and 1st).
I just don't want to be surprised when I get to the airport with my son and have to pay $240 ($120x2).
It says qualifying MileagePlus members get the 1st checked baggage. Does the Miles Explorer card qualify me and my companion?
Thank you
I just don't want to be surprised when I get to the airport with my son and have to pay $240 ($120x2).
It says qualifying MileagePlus members get the 1st checked baggage. Does the Miles Explorer card qualify me and my companion?
Thank you
Basic Economy = domestic fare class (+ short haul int'l?), no carry-on, no seat selection. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...cussion-q.html
"First Bag Charge / No Changes" = long-haul international, yes carry-on, yes seat selection, no automatic free checked bag. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...s-allowed.html
In either case, if you purchase the ticket with your MileagePlus Explorer Card, you and 1 companion will get one free checked bag plus one carry-on (plus one personal item). If you purchase your ticket with a different card, you won't get the free checked bag (but will get the free carry-on with Basic Economy just by having the card).
The site doesn't know what card you are using or who you are buying the ticket for when you're searching. When you get your email receipt, it should say $0.00 for the first checked bag. If it doesn't you can call and cancel within 24 hours.
Nov 5, 2018, 11:45 am
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If I book a flight in Basic Economy (first bag charge / no changes allowed) with my Miles Explorer Card, will I get the 1st checked bag for free? I would think that when I log in with my credentials, the system would recognize that I'm a United Explorer CC member. But no, it shows me the 4 different options (Basic Economy, Economy, Business and 1st). ...
As an Explore card holder, if you purchase BE fares, you and your companions on the same PNR will have you first bag (each) fee waived and you will receive Boarding Group 2 -- however, no changes will be allowed and you will not be able to select a seat assignment or be guarantee adjacent seats.
The bag fee waiver will only occur if you check in with UA.
Nov 5, 2018, 11:49 am
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Anyone know how strict they are about the definition of "carry-on" for these fares, either UA or OAL?
e.g. rollaboards vs. large backpacks vs. something more "personal item" sized. Is the ultimate goal to transition the -LGT fares to be more like Basic Economy with no overhead bin access whatsoever?
e.g. rollaboards vs. large backpacks vs. something more "personal item" sized. Is the ultimate goal to transition the -LGT fares to be more like Basic Economy with no overhead bin access whatsoever?
Nov 5, 2018, 2:52 pm
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Thank you for your explanation.
So it seems we agree that I do get a free checked bag as long as I use my Explorer Card.
What I'm not sure about is the seat selection. Threeoh, we are trying to book a long-haul international flight from Newark to Portugal. Your 2nd option is the correct one. As you wrote, it says YES to seat selection if available. WineCountryUA wrote that we won't be able to select seats.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
So it seems we agree that I do get a free checked bag as long as I use my Explorer Card.
What I'm not sure about is the seat selection. Threeoh, we are trying to book a long-haul international flight from Newark to Portugal. Your 2nd option is the correct one. As you wrote, it says YES to seat selection if available. WineCountryUA wrote that we won't be able to select seats.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Nov 5, 2018, 4:09 pm
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-LGT fares do allow advance seat selection
Will move this from Basic Economy to the -LGT (first bag charge/no changes allowed) thread
For this fare you would still get the first bag fee waived
Nov 5, 2018, 4:31 pm
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Skimming the 3432 posts is probably going to be a daunting task for me, so I was wondering if someone could point to a current summary of United's international Basic Economy including Explorer perks and award travel details. Thank you.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 5, 2018 at 4:39 pm Reason: Moved to -LGT thread
Nov 5, 2018, 4:44 pm
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In either case, Explorer cardmembers still get the first bag free if they buy the ticket with the card.
Award tickets are regular economy tickets and do not have any of the Basic / Light restrictions.
Nov 5, 2018, 4:45 pm
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Basic Economy is presently just domestic flights
As for a summary of the restrictions for international flights see the wiki of this thread or Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ