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TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs

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The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply

Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic
-- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.

Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.

What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
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How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.

What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus

To aviod TATL BE fares
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Originally Posted by jsloan View Post
Use f !..-lgt for your extension codes to avoid TATL BE.
Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threads
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...

Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
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Old Jun 5, 18, 9:52 pm
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TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs

Looking at a SFO-LHR flight and I'm now seeing handluggage only fares on UA.com, that are also not changeable/upgradeable. They don't have their own fare bucket though, this ticket does T fare for either of the options in the image.

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Old Jun 5, 18, 10:16 pm
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Yes, BE has gone international (selectively)
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Old Jun 5, 18, 10:23 pm
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Looking at a SFO-LHR flight and I'm now seeing handluggage only fares on UA.com, that are also not changeable/upgradeable. They don't have their own fare bucket though, this ticket does T fare for either of the options in the image.
Well, they are competing with Norwegian, and they charge for everything extra ...... you didn't post UA price for BE - that would be interesting

OK, see it now - that BE fare seems much higher than what Norwegian charges when they release their sale prices.
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Yes, BE has gone international (selectively)
This doesn't quite look like BE, though. I'd have to play around with it, but it looks like the restrictive fare would still earn PQMs and lifetime miles, and be eligible for a seat assignment, likely including E+ (paid, or free with status). Would credit card holders and elite members still get a baggage allowance? What about non-UA *G?

Along with LH group, UA seems to be busy pushing the envelope in terms of what restrictions people will accept. I'm unhappy that they're doing this, but I'll at least give them kudos for being upfront about it, rather than burying it somewhere in the fare rules.

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Well, they are competing with Norwegian, and they charge for everything extra ...... you didn't post UA price for BE - that would be interesting
UA's cheapest price was $522; it's in the screenshot.

PS: This is reason #99 ,999 to read carefully before you buy, especially when using an OTA. These fares might well be available from an OTA, minus the helpful warning popup.
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The fare family uses the -LGT suffix, but does not book into N, so it would seem they earn miles and permit E+ and seat selection (for the time being).
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Old Jun 5, 18, 10:48 pm
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This "basic economy" does sound much more palatable than the domestic basic economy. I do appreciate things like SDC etc. and use those a lot, though on international routings that becomes much less relevant as the frequency is so much lower...

I wonder if they'll start playing with the E+ eligibility on BE, somewhat similar to the downgrade AA to their silver equivalents
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This "basic economy" does sound much more palatable than the domestic basic economy. I do appreciate things like SDC etc. and use those a lot, though on international routings that becomes much less relevant as the frequency is so much lower...

I wonder if they'll start playing with the E+ eligibility on BE, somewhat similar to the downgrade AA to their silver equivalents
I would interpret "no changes" as meaning ineligible for SDC unless specifically stated otherwise somewhere in the rules.
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New Economy fare: first bag charge, no changes/upgrades allowed?

I've noticed a new 'fare' category that I had not seen before. The same fare category but 'Economy (first bag charge/no changes allowed). Clicking through, I see that Premier members have standard luggage benefits (ie I can take 3 bags at 70 lbs each). Are there any other restrictions? I'm sure there is already a discussion around this but I couldn't find it.
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Originally Posted by LondonElite View Post
I've noticed a new 'fare' category that I had not seen before. The same fare category but 'Economy (first bag charge/no changes allowed). Clicking through, I see that Premier members have standard luggage benefits (ie I can take 3 bags at 70 lbs each). Are there any other restrictions? I'm sure there is already a discussion around this but I couldn't find it.
There's a thread called United's Basic Economy-Discussion, Q&A. Just google it with these words to find it.
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Originally Posted by StuckinITH View Post
There's a thread called United's Basic Economy-Discussion, Q&A. Just google it with these words to find it.
I'm aware of that thread...these are not BE (ie 'N') fares. These are the regular fare buckets but with luggage and changes unbundled. I'm just not clear (and nor is the website) whether anything else is unbundled.
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Originally Posted by LondonElite View Post
I've noticed a new 'fare' category that I had not seen before. The same fare category but 'Economy (first bag charge/no changes allowed). Clicking through, I see that Premier members have standard luggage benefits (ie I can take 3 bags at 70 lbs each). Are there any other restrictions? I'm sure there is already a discussion around this but I couldn't find it.
It's not a "new" fare category. It's just a normal economy fare, with UA attempting to sell unbundled services.

I get the same offers, even though as 1K I get free baggage and free E+; i.e., UA tries to sell us what we already get for free.
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Thanks, I didn't really mean a new fare category, but even three days ago this unbundled fare didn't show up on my searches. First time was today. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't going to miss out on anything (baggage, E+, etc). The website was very clear, however, about changes:

1 First checked bag charge for the Economy (first bag charge/no changes allowed) fare is based on a standard sized bag. MileagePlus Premier® members, Star Alliance™ Gold members, and qualifying MileagePlus cardmembers who purchase their tickets with their card will receive standard checked bag benefits when checking in with United for flights operated by United or United Express®. Restrictions may apply. For details, visit our Baggage Information page.

2 Ticket changes or upgrades are not allowed for Economy (first bag charge/no changes allowed), including advance and same-day changes, even for Premier members. Fares are nonrefundable. For Economy, fees may apply for ticket changes.
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It's not a "new" fare category. It's just a normal economy fare, with UA attempting to sell unbundled services.
The "no SDC for anyone" clause is definitely new.

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UA tries to sell us what we already get for free.
No, UA assumes that frequent flyers are intelligent enough to read the rules.
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I'm aware of that thread...these are not BE (ie 'N') fares. These are the regular fare buckets but with luggage and changes unbundled. I'm just not clear (and nor is the website) whether anything else is unbundled.
While it's not Basic Economy, a discussion of these fares started yesterday in that thread.

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It's not a "new" fare category. It's just a normal economy fare, with UA attempting to sell unbundled services.

I get the same offers, even though as 1K I get free baggage and free E+; i.e., UA tries to sell us what we already get for free.
It seems to be more restricted than the regular economy fares have been in the past.
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2 Ticket changes or upgrades are not allowed for Economy (first bag charge/no changes allowed), including advance and same-day changes, even for Premier members. Fares are nonrefundable. For Economy, fees may apply for ticket changes.
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It seems to be more restricted than the regular economy fares have been in the past.
Yes, it does. That info was missing from the OP. Some sort of new "light" fare. Awesome. What routes are these being offered on?
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