Jun 6, 2018, 1:40 pm
Last edit by: Kacee
The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
ITA Matrix Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threadsUnited's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs
Nov 5, 2018, 4:49 pm
#241
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UA has Basic Economy on select international flights within North America and the Caribbean. Light fares are offered TATL. They haven't gotten around to adding either TPAC yet -- presumably either due to competitive pressure or some integration problem with NH/NZ.
Nov 8, 2018, 9:16 am
#242
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One question that I cannot see has been covered and might need personal experience to answer.
If a premier member (in this case a 1k) books two tickets on the same PNR, one for himself and one for a general member, do both get the same luggage allowance or does only the 1k member. (It seems pointless denying the GM an allowance as the 1k can simply deposit two cases and say they are both mine).
I do know that E+ is available to both pax as I have tried a dummy booking.
If a premier member (in this case a 1k) books two tickets on the same PNR, one for himself and one for a general member, do both get the same luggage allowance or does only the 1k member. (It seems pointless denying the GM an allowance as the 1k can simply deposit two cases and say they are both mine).
I do know that E+ is available to both pax as I have tried a dummy booking.
Where a non MP premier member is travelling on the same reservation as a premier member who is first named on the reservation, the non-premier member gets the same checked luggage allowance as the premier member or *A Gold member. (Either two or three 32kg bags), provided that the first flight is on UA and check in was through United.
(Note, this is referring specifically to TATL Light fares offered by United, Lufthansa, Austrian, Air Canada and Swiss, not basic economy domestic fares.
Thank you for your explanation.
So it seems we agree that I do get a free checked bag as long as I use my Explorer Card.
What I'm not sure about is the seat selection. Threeoh, we are trying to book a long-haul international flight from Newark to Portugal. Your 2nd option is the correct one. As you wrote, it says YES to seat selection if available. WineCountryUA wrote that we won't be able to select seats.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
So it seems we agree that I do get a free checked bag as long as I use my Explorer Card.
What I'm not sure about is the seat selection. Threeoh, we are trying to book a long-haul international flight from Newark to Portugal. Your 2nd option is the correct one. As you wrote, it says YES to seat selection if available. WineCountryUA wrote that we won't be able to select seats.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you.
For example, if you fly from EWR to LIS on the non stop UA service, and purchase your tickets with your Chase card, you will get your free baggage allowance and be able to select your seats at booking.
If you decide to fly via a non direct route, which involves a first flight via United and connecting flights via another airline, you will receive your checked baggage allowance on the outward leg, but will be restricted to free hand luggage only on the return. (bear in mind that LH and others have an 8kg hand luggage allowance as well). You will only be able to select seats in advance of check in on any UA flights, as others like LH do not offer free advance seat selection.
If your first flight and check in is with any airline other than UA for both outward and return flights, you will be restricted to free hand luggage and no advance seat reservations in either direction. Any checked luggage and advance seat reservations will have to be paid for, although you do have the option of electing the more expensive non "Light" equivalent fare which includes a bag allowance.
In short, United are being a lot more generous to selective travellers than the other alliance airlines in conjunction with these fares.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 8, 2018 at 1:36 pm Reason: merging consecutive posts by same member
Nov 8, 2018, 10:47 am
#243
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Nov 8, 2018, 11:11 am
#244
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The exact wording of the luggage exemption for those wanting to book these "light" fares is:
MileagePlus Premier® members, Star Alliance™ Gold members, and qualifying MileagePlus cardmembers who purchase their tickets with their card will receive standard checked bag benefits when checking in with United for flights operated by United or United Express®.
In other words, if you have to check in with any other airline, the no free checked bag rule applies irrespective of whether UA is your primary carrier or ticket issuer.
I reiterate though, that I am only referring to rules for transatlantic flights issued in accordance with "light" fare rules. The rules for any other ticket types, including Basic Economy may be different.
Last edited by Richym99; Nov 8, 2018 at 11:16 am
Nov 8, 2018, 11:26 am
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I mean, you always check-in with the operating carrier of the first flight; that's a given. The luggage policy may or may not be that airline's policy.* However, luggage policy waivers, such as those provided by credit card membership or Premier status, aren't part of the policy; they're special promotions, basically, that only apply when you're checking in with the airline that offers them. In other words, LH doesn't care that you have a MileagePlus Explorer card. UA does.
* For flights to/from the US, the luggage policy that applies is that of the marketing carrier for the first flight on the itinerary. For flights that don't touch the US, it's even more complicated. But, again, this doesn't include any special policy waivers.
Nov 8, 2018, 11:51 am
#246
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So with an LGT reservation through united.com using my Explorer card with outgoing being SFO (UA) ZRH (LX) CPH and returning CPH (AC) YYZ (AC) SFO, I may not get a free checked bag on the way back?
Nov 8, 2018, 12:06 pm
#247
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No "may" about it. You will be required to pay for your checked bag on the return journey.
Nov 9, 2018, 11:29 am
#248
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Nov 21, 2018, 3:23 pm
#250
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Flew ZRH-LAX a few weeks ago. All those Y-Class travelers brought large carry-ons with them (this phenomena only used to be something seen on short hoal flights).
Result: they had to check 35 (!!!) bags on the aircraft as all Y-Class Overheads were full. Flight got delayed. This is getting out of control.
Result: they had to check 35 (!!!) bags on the aircraft as all Y-Class Overheads were full. Flight got delayed. This is getting out of control.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 21, 2018 at 3:36 pm Reason: Using symbols, spaces or other methods to mask vulgarities is not allowed.
Nov 21, 2018, 3:39 pm
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Nov 23, 2018, 6:58 am
#252
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I'm flying in December with LH as my first outbound, so I wanted to make sure I could check a bag... I'm printing a copy of this in case the check-in desk (which is staffed by SAS stuff) gives me any grief.
Nov 25, 2018, 7:50 am
#253
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Hi all - what is the best way to search for Basic Economy fares from ZRH to SEA or SFO/SJC? Is there somewhere where I can find the rules involved? I can only find Basic Economy fares for flights > 5 nights for example - what are the other rules that I need to be aware of? or is there a way to book Basic Eco for a shorter trip?
Nov 25, 2018, 12:20 pm
#254
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I have a copy of the webpage from July 4, 2018 and it has the same terminology: "The fee for checked baggage also applies to Miles & More status customers and Star Alliance Gold members who book the Economy Light fare. However, under a goodwill rule HON Circle Members, Senators and Star Alliance Gold members can check in one item of baggage up to 23 kg free of charge for the time being. This goodwill rule only applies at the airport check-in counter. If an item of baggage is booked in advance, e.g. online or in a travel agency, the baggage charge will still apply."
I'm flying in December with LH as my first outbound, so I wanted to make sure I could check a bag... I'm printing a copy of this in case the check-in desk (which is staffed by SAS stuff) gives me any grief.
I'm flying in December with LH as my first outbound, so I wanted to make sure I could check a bag... I'm printing a copy of this in case the check-in desk (which is staffed by SAS stuff) gives me any grief.
Nov 25, 2018, 12:24 pm
#255
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You need to consult the fare rules for min stay requirements. You can do that via a paid service like ExpertFlyer or KVS
or you adjust the stay until the fare shows and then read the fare rules on UA.
How to find fare rules for united flights?