Jun 6, 2018, 1:40 pm
Last edit by: Kacee
The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
ITA Matrix Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threadsUnited's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs
Dec 10, 2018, 4:44 pm
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That announcement was made in the context of TATL Basic Economy. I haven't seen any announcement that they would begin to apply that to domestic BE also.
Dec 10, 2018, 4:54 pm
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Dec 10, 2018, 7:13 pm
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Dec 10, 2018, 7:16 pm
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More details, straight from United
https://united.canto.com/pdfviewer/viewer/viewer.html?share=share%2Calbum%2CT2RL6&column=doc ument&id=4749gmdg917sfdtm6nsl04kf6l&suffix=pdf
https://united.canto.com/pdfviewer/viewer/viewer.html?share=share%2Calbum%2CT2RL6&column=doc ument&id=4749gmdg917sfdtm6nsl04kf6l&suffix=pdf
Dec 10, 2018, 8:38 pm
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Dec 10, 2018, 8:47 pm
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I for one, find it hard to believe that UA would want to penalize their most loyal travellers who put aside the $2K-$3K annually to travel with them (to earn Premier Gold) all to earn perhaps $100 more per pax?
Safe Travels,
James
Dec 10, 2018, 8:52 pm
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The way I'm reading it is that TATL Economy Basic is only going to earn 50% PQM! I've got a LHR -> LAX flight booked for March (all on UA metal) which when I booked it (and in the confirmation email I received from UA) was told it would earn 100% PQM. I could frankly care less about domestic Y on UA earning 0% PQM since I never fly UA domestically (generally to US from CAN or from CAN to TATL or TPAC). For someone who considers the fare first then the airline this development is somewhat troubling since UA has almost always had the lowest fare for the places I wanted to go and even when it didn't more than made up for it in terms of benefits (i.e. E+ seating, priority service and lounges).
I for one, find it hard to believe that UA would want to penalize their most loyal travellers who put aside the $2K-$3K annually to travel with them (to earn Premier Gold) all to earn perhaps $100 more per pax?
Safe Travels,
James
I for one, find it hard to believe that UA would want to penalize their most loyal travellers who put aside the $2K-$3K annually to travel with them (to earn Premier Gold) all to earn perhaps $100 more per pax?
Safe Travels,
James
Dec 10, 2018, 9:03 pm
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Basic Economy purchases are not eligible to receive Premier qualifying credit (PQM/PQS/PQD). Basic Economy purchases also do not accrue lifetime miles and do not count toward the four segment minimum for Premier status.
Safe Travels,
James
Dec 10, 2018, 9:05 pm
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Starting this Friday, coach passengers on United Airlines who want to avoid the back of the plane may have to pay up for it. The airline will charge a fee for so-called preferred seats on flights throughout its network. These seats don't come with extra legroom or other perks. They're standard economy seats that will be behind the Economy Plus rows, which come with more space.
Corporate preferred customers can select these seats for free as a perk of the program, which only made sense if others could not. I presume Gold and higher will also get them free - the question would be whether Silver does or not.
Here's a sample seat-map from the Corporate Preferred program website :
Dec 10, 2018, 10:00 pm
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The "no changes / first bag charge" fares were explicitly stated to be the first step toward TATL BE. This is the second. (As an aside, you can already tell the confusion they've engendered by calling two different things "BE."). If this doesn't depress bookings too much, they'll see what else they can manage.
You'll see these fares TPAC as well just as soon as UA believes they can get away with it.