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Well he somehow managed to get one. Given how much grief people are given just for having an expired passport, you're going to have a lot of issues for swiping a card with no passport.
Having said that, I did manage to apply for a nexus card for my one month old infant son without a passport (because I knew you could travel over land with his birth certificate anyway). We applied for and received his passport before the interview and added his passport afterwards |
Originally Posted by sai13
(Post 27248604)
Do I need to carry photocopy of all the original documents? (or) will it be taken by the officer in the interview?
I know that they will take the picture there itself after the interview. |
There is not a requirement to have a passport to apply for Nexus. Only proof of citizenship/admissiability (such as a birth certificate or citizenship document). It's not a full passport or even intended as such. We received new passports recently and DHS had a flyer with them outlining the trusted traveler programs and only a birth certificate is required for Nexus or the standalone PreCheck. Or see Canada's required documents.
Air travel and land/marine travel have different requirements. For the most part, air travel into the US will require a passport (not a passport card, EDL, or other travel document accepted at land/marine ports of entry). Presumably if you somehow arrived at an air port of entry and can prove citizenship (birth certificate, etc..), CBP will probably admit you however most airlines will not board you without a valid passport. ETA: read OP's CBP link. The problem with that is CBP officers may not be familiar with Nexus being valid for air entry and the airline employees may not be familiar with it and you may be denied boarding/entry incorrectly. Then what are you going to do? Having a passport would make all of those easier. My guess would be that the Nexus processing officers are also only used to seeing passports at Nexus interviews so are unfamiliar with the actual document requirements. See that as the possible experience when traveling with just a Nexus card for air travel every time. |
Originally Posted by DualityOfNam
(Post 27248429)
Congrats. It seems the appeal system works as intended. It's easy to get railroaded by a government entity, let alone two.
Thanks for sharing. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 27249092)
You cannot have NEXUS without a passport. Your NEXUS expires when your passport does.
My NEXUS did not expire when my passport did, though I did take care to update CBP through the then-documented process (visiting an enrollment center) before using NEXUS to cross the border. (I'd already updated CBP via GOES, and Global Entry kiosks accepted my new passport without issue.) |
Originally Posted by manohman
(Post 27248733)
I had my interview recently and they were extremely RUDE.
The CBSA and CBP both state on their websites and in press releases, that a NEXUS card will be accepted in lieu of a Passport. They state the NEXUS is recognized as an acceptable equivalent document to a valid passport and that its an alternative to the passport for air travel into the United States for Canadian Citizens. Both the CBSA and CBP treated me like I was some sort of criminal for not having a passport to show them. Hello, NEXUS is cheaper than the Passport and I only want to travel between the two countries. The CBSA employee also didn't recognize the Canadian Citizenship Certificate which has been standard across Canada from February 2012 and for awhile I literally thought she was going to detain me. She said she had to call CIC etc. Ridiculous, don't they receive proper training on documents accepted as proof of citizenship while employed with the CBSA? They finally issued me a NEXUS but the CBP officer said I can only use it on crossing a land border. ...? The CBP website states you can use a NEXUS when flying and Air Canada and Westjet accepts the NEXUS. Then the CBSA employee said I have to carry my Citizenship Certificate as proof of citizenship upon return of Canada in direct contraction of the CBSA website. Do CBP and CBSA employees just make up rules as they go along? NEXUS without passport would mean you are limited to travel between US/Canada and even then you should stick with Canadian airlines. You will not be able to fly from third country into US/Canada logistically.
Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 27249092)
You cannot have NEXUS without a passport. Your NEXUS expires when your passport does.
Refer to Mandatory Documents and you will see passport is NOT required as long as you can prove citizenship otherwise. NEXUS also does not expire when upon passport expiration. NEXUS is its own five year+ term. When passport expires and you renew passport, you don't have to renew NEXUS. |
Originally Posted by seawolf
(Post 27250476)
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NEXUS also does not expire when upon passport expiration. NEXUS is its own five year+ term. When passport expires and you renew passport, you don't have to renew NEXUS. Your NEXUS card is based upon a number of things remaining valid (ie. you still have a clean criminal record, no history of violations, documents are all current, etc.) If one of those changes, it can cause your nexus to expire/become invalid. One key document your NEXUS membership is based on is your passport. If that expires, your NEXUS is no longer good until you renew and provide the new passport number. My wife had her interview and the US officer said to the Canadian one "her Drivers License is on there along with passport. I'm removing the drivers license from her profile so it doesn't cause her problems when it expires". I've always wondered if I should be bold enough to march into the NEXUS office at Pearson and ask them to remove my D/L number too. Apparently it's used to approve your application, but you now have TWO documents that need to be updated regularly. I'm going to ask them to remove the D/L from my profile too. They'll probably have no clue what I'm talking about and tell me it can't be done :) :) |
Originally Posted by flyquiet
(Post 27249092)
You cannot have NEXUS without a passport. Your NEXUS expires when your passport does. They do not care what is cheaper for you. They have no statutory obligation to provide you with a more economical method to cross the border. It is a trusted traveller program, not a passport card.
If you got a NEXUS without even having a passport, I am shocked and dismayed about the integrity of the system. I think they should have rejected your application if you did not present a passport. I hope they have lurkers reading this board and audit their recent practices. The NEXUS is accepted at point of entry under the WHTI, but I for one was told in my interview to have the passport available on request. I present my NEXUS, and keep my passport in a document sleeve to prevent damage. Others have argued that you don't need the passport with you because the website has the language you have pointed out. But then the argument is, do you want to have your NEXUS cancelled for breaking rules, even if only in the opinion of one officer? The airline may demand to see your passport before allowing you to board, even if you show your NEXUS. It has happened to me. They are within their rights to deny boarding to anyone that they believe could be denied entry at the other end of the trip. My opinion, I think it is you that has made up a discrepant interpretation of the rules. I have followed this thread for quite a while now, and I have not read any posts reporting acquiring a NEXUS with NO passport. Perhaps I have misunderstood what you posted, but I'm dismayed if it happened the way I'm interpreting your post. In a statement to CTV News, Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) said that a Nexus card can be used in lieu of a passport for “Canadian and American citizens who are Nexus members entering Canada from the U.S.” U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) said Nexus is “recognized as an acceptable equivalent document to a valid passport.” There is no requirement to have a passport and the NEXUS card is accepted by both the CBSA and CBP when travelling between Canada and the United States. If you left Canada on a flight departing Canada for the United States, your NEXUS card is sufficient at immigration control when you land in the United States. The same as it is sufficient at a land border-crossing. A NEXUS card is an acceptable equivalent document to a valid passport and may be used in-lieu of a passport. There is no statutory nor agency policy which stipulates you must have a passport to recieve a NEXUS card or that you must have one while in possession of a NEXUS card. The NEXUS card denotes your citizenship of Canada. It is no different than a passport at proving you're a Canadian citizenship legally entitled to enter the United States. It has similar security features (biometrics and iris). I feel totally comfortable by the fact officers from both countries who are on the frontlines of border protection do not understand the programs they are responsible for administrating.... |
A dl is a primary in most jurisdictions so it makes sense to tie it to any TT program. As for the expiry, I was told it's 5 years rounded up to your next birthday. Mine is dated a full year after my edl expires
There is a lot of factually incorrect stuff being posted, the major one imo is that some people think Nexus exists on its own. It's an endorsement in the same manner a visa is. No one would dare claim a visa trumps a passport. There is a reason you must update your source docs to remain in the program. |
manohman , all you posted from cba/cbsa is true. It's written from the viewpoint of active Nexus membership. Everybody knows that source docs were reqd for enrollment, and that they must be updated. Everybody also knows that members are expected to comply. To not, either by accident or intent, carries a penalty. Therefore cba/cbsa assumes you have current border id to support your Nexus.
I guess it would be an interesting test, to use ones Nexus card after passport expiry. It's not something I'd ever consider, the risks are quite high. |
Originally Posted by bha
(Post 27251262)
This is "technically" true, but for most people, their nexus will expire the same day as their passport. Here's why..
Your NEXUS card is based upon a number of things remaining valid (ie. you still have a clean criminal record, no history of violations, documents are all current, etc.) If one of those changes, it can cause your nexus to expire/become invalid. One key document your NEXUS membership is based on is your passport. If that expires, your NEXUS is no longer good until you renew and provide the new passport number. My wife had her interview and the US officer said to the Canadian one "her Drivers License is on there along with passport. I'm removing the drivers license from her profile so it doesn't cause her problems when it expires". I've always wondered if I should be bold enough to march into the NEXUS office at Pearson and ask them to remove my D/L number too. Apparently it's used to approve your application, but you now have TWO documents that need to be updated regularly. I'm going to ask them to remove the D/L from my profile too. They'll probably have no clue what I'm talking about and tell me it can't be done :) :) For NEXUS Air, you probably would need a passport as a travel document. For other modes of NEXUS, I don't think it is required if you have an alternative travel document whether it be an EDL or something else. |
I'd strongly recommend following what the website / program documents say, and not what CBP officers say (not sure about CBSA, but no reason why their humans would be any better).
I've come across CBP officers being wrong or unknowledgeable in multiple cases. E.g. expecting GE members to show a GE card at YYZ (when not all members are even eligible), telling GE members with Visas to use the Visa in the GE machine (nope, doesn't work), asking me for my green-card at interview time (nope, I'm just a non-resident Brit, and they weren't aware that Brits had just become eligible for GE). The website is a much more authoritative source of truth than the words of any CBP or CBSA officer. That's not to say you won't run into issues with overzealous officers. If I were in your shoes, I'd just get a passport and be done with it for the peace of mind. Too much risk of someone revoking your Nexus for the fun of it, and by the time you've appealed it all you might as well have just had a passport. |
Originally Posted by seawolf
(Post 27251619)
That is why I worded my post the way it is worded. When you renew the passport, you don't have to renew NEXUS as it didn't expire. As you indicated, NEXUS may be invalid (if your NEXUS application was tied to a passport) but it "technically" didn't expire.
For NEXUS Air, you probably would need a passport as a travel document. For other modes of NEXUS, I don't think it is required if you have an alternative travel document whether it be an EDL or something else. If you supported your NEXUS application with a passport (i.e. your conditional approval notification told you to bring only your passport to the interview), then if your passport expires, your NEXUS membership is not supported by anything and is technically invalid. If you did not use a passport to support the NEXUS application (i.e. your conditional approval notification told you to bring only your driver's license and birth certificate to the interview), then your NEXUS membership has absolutely zero relation to your passport and won't become invalid upon the expiration of your passport (if you even have a passport). But you won't be able to legitimately use your NEXUS card for air travel, since air travel requires a passport. |
Originally Posted by manohman
(Post 27251302)
If you left Canada on a flight departing Canada for the United States, your NEXUS card is sufficient at immigration control when you land in the United States. The same as it is sufficient at a land border-crossing.
A NEXUS card is an acceptable equivalent document to a valid passport and may be used in-lieu of a passport. Consider two travelers from Toronto to Boston. Traveler A is on AC, flying YYZ-BOS. A checks in using their NEXUS card as their travel document, uses it to access the Global Entry kiosks at preclearance, and flies to BOS. No problem. Traveler B is on PD, flying YTZ-BOS. B tries to check in using their NEXUS card, and PD refuses them as PD policy is to require a passport for transborder flights. If they somehow get past the PD agents, they arrive at BOS and enter the immigration hall where US CBP then refuses them entry.
Originally Posted by jackal
(Post 27252209)
you won't be able to legitimately use your NEXUS card for air travel, since air travel requires a passport.
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