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margarita girl Oct 23, 2016 9:54 am


Originally Posted by televisor (Post 27381591)
GE is automatic, and relies only on your passport. The Nexus card is useful to gain access to the expedited security lanes in Canada (but I guess you already know that), but the GE machines only accept a passport (or green card if you are an LPR).

Actually, you can use your Nexus card in a GE machine. I tested it a few weeks ago at YYZ, and was surprised to find that it worked.

Thanks for all the advice. Guess I better call in to be sure. If worse comes to worse, I'm on UA ticket and UA allows free changes +/- 24 hours before departure, so I could delay my ticket by 1 (or 2) days if necessary.

pa3lsvt Oct 23, 2016 10:09 am


Originally Posted by margarita girl (Post 27382695)
Actually, you can use your Nexus card in a GE machine. I tested it a few weeks ago at YYZ, and was surprised to find that it worked.

Only at a Canadian Preclearance CBP station, as reported by posts in this thread. At a US POE, you will need to use your passport in the GE kiosks.

FrequentFlyerYYZ Oct 23, 2016 10:22 am

Can you use the GE kiosk when your nexus is approved but don't yet have the card?

Travelling out of YYZ tomorrow and my wife just got her renewal approved (old card expired a few weeks ago). Haven't been through transborder in a while so not sure the current setup. Approval letter says she can use NEXUS once she gets card but can use the GE kiosk immediately - if we use her passport and prints at the YYZ outbound GE kiosk will she be ok?

Thanks!

a1bunny Oct 23, 2016 10:49 am

where can I take fingerprints? Can I do it during my interview @niagara falls US side location? Is there only one KTN number showing in our GOES account? Or are there different numbers for precheck and global entry/NEXUS? Can I get the number after I get approval (i.e. before I receive my NEXUS card)? I have an international trip coming soon, I'm afraid that I won't receive my NEXUS card in time.


Originally Posted by TWA884 (Post 27382606)


1KChinito Oct 23, 2016 11:07 am


Originally Posted by FrequentFlyerYYZ (Post 27382807)
Can you use the GE kiosk when your nexus is approved but don't yet have the card?

Travelling out of YYZ tomorrow and my wife just got her renewal approved (old card expired a few weeks ago). Haven't been through transborder in a while so not sure the current setup. Approval letter says she can use NEXUS once she gets card but can use the GE kiosk immediately - if we use her passport and prints at the YYZ outbound GE kiosk will she be ok?

Thanks!

Your wife should be able to use Global Entry kiosk at YYZ tomorrow.

FrequentFlyerYYZ Oct 23, 2016 11:08 am


Originally Posted by 1KChinito (Post 27382957)
Your wife should be able to use Global Entry kiosk at YYZ tomorrow.

Thanks! She'll be out of luck on the return, unfortunately...

seawolf Oct 23, 2016 1:51 pm


Originally Posted by pa3lsvt (Post 27382757)
Only at a Canadian Preclearance CBP station, as reported by posts in this thread. At a US POE, you will need to use your passport in the GE kiosks.

^


Originally Posted by FrequentFlyerYYZ (Post 27382807)
Can you use the GE kiosk when your nexus is approved but don't yet have the card?

Travelling out of YYZ tomorrow and my wife just got her renewal approved (old card expired a few weeks ago). Haven't been through transborder in a while so not sure the current setup. Approval letter says she can use NEXUS once she gets card but can use the GE kiosk immediately - if we use her passport and prints at the YYZ outbound GE kiosk will she be ok?

Thanks!

If fully approved (and US has fingerprints on file) you can enter US using passport at kiosk. However there were reports that at certain airports, (overzealous) non-governmental personnel demand GE/NEXUS cards to access the kiosks.

Kiraly Oct 23, 2016 4:03 pm


Originally Posted by FrequentFlyerYYZ (Post 27382807)
Can you use the GE kiosk when your nexus is approved but don't yet have the card?

If you are a Canadian, the rules say you cannot. Remember that Canadians are not eligible to become Global Entry members. Canadians can only get Global Entry privileges as a benefit to their NEXUS membership. That means when you use a Global Entry kiosk, you use it as a NEXUS member, and all of the NEXUS rules (including the one requiring you have your NEXUS card with you when you use NEXUS services) apply.

Many NEXUS members may have used GE without having their NEXUS card in their possession. And the CBP may be fine with that most of the time. But it is, strictly speaking, against the NEXUS program rules, and I personally would not risk it.

Finkface Oct 23, 2016 4:12 pm


Originally Posted by seawolf (Post 27383499)
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If fully approved (and US has fingerprints on file) you can enter US using passport at kiosk. However there were reports that at certain airports, (overzealous) non-governmental personnel demand GE/NEXUS cards to access the kiosks.

You don't need the card to access the kiosks. The "(overzealous) non-governmental personnel demand(ing) GE/NEXUS cards" is for entry to the expedited CATSA security lane (Canadian version of pre-check lite). There are no checks anywhere by anyone once you pass security and enter the US CBP Pre-Clearance hall to use the GE kiosks. The checks are done by CATSA at the entrance to the security hall if you want to use the expedited security lines.

There is no one stationed post-security to ask for a card. Once you gather your stuff, you walk out Of the security hall to pre-clearance. And there are no checkers at the entrance to the Pre-clearance hall. One just walks in, goes directly to the GE kiosks or just gets in line to see an officer. There isn't anyone lurking about asking to see cards.

Not speaking to the wisdom of using the kiosks without having the card with you (I personally wouldn't risk it) but as far as getting to, and actually using the GE kiosks she will be totally fine. She just won't be allowed in the expedited security lines without the card.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27281747-post44.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27281811-post45.html

FrequentFlyerYYZ Oct 23, 2016 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by Finkface (Post 27384050)
You don't need the card to access the kiosks. The "(overzealous) non-governmental personnel demand(ing) GE/NEXUS cards" is for entry to the expedited CATSA security lane (Canadian version of pre-check lite). There are no checks anywhere by anyone once you pass security and enter the US CBP Pre-Clearance hall to use the GE kiosks. The checks are done by CATSA at the entrance to the security hall if you want to use the expedited security lines.

There is no one stationed post-security to ask for a card. Once you gather your stuff, you walk out Of the security hall to pre-clearance. And there are no checkers at the entrance to the Pre-clearance hall. One just walks in, goes directly to the GE kiosks or just gets in line to see an officer. There isn't anyone lurking about asking to see cards.

Not speaking to the wisdom of using the kiosks without having the card with you (I personally wouldn't risk it) but as far as getting to, and actually using the GE kiosks she will be totally fine. She just won't be allowed in the expedited security lines without the card.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27281747-post44.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27281811-post45.html

Thanks! The website actually says "you don't need your Nexus card but may want to bring it with you". It's like they go to great pains to avoid clarity...

televisor Oct 23, 2016 5:03 pm

- The website states you don't need your card
- I've not seen any reports of CBP asking for the card _except_ when the card (instead of passport) was used at a GE kiosk at preclearance in Canada.
- I've not seen any reports of Nexus revocation for not possessing the Nexus card when using GE.

Feel free to draw your own conclusions based on armchair lawyering, but I personally wouldn't have the slightest worry about using GE without the Nexus card. If you really want to play it safe, I'd recommend asking CBP for an explicit confirmation of what the website already states.

FWIW no one is making the equivalent assertion that you must carry the Nexus card to use Pre...

seawolf Oct 23, 2016 5:59 pm

CBP may ask for whatever document you use at the kiosk whether it be NEXUS card or passport. If you can access kiosks after going thru the non-Trusted Traveler security lanes (due to personnel asking to see NEXUS/GE above), then passport is all you need for kiosk and clearance into US.


Originally Posted by Kiraly (Post 27384024)
If you are a Canadian, the rules say you cannot. Remember that Canadians are not eligible to become Global Entry members. Canadians can only get Global Entry privileges as a benefit to their NEXUS membership. That means when you use a Global Entry kiosk, you use it as a NEXUS member, and all of the NEXUS rules (including the one requiring you have your NEXUS card with you when you use NEXUS services) apply.

Many NEXUS members may have used GE without having their NEXUS card in their possession. And the CBP may be fine with that most of the time. But it is, strictly speaking, against the NEXUS program rules, and I personally would not risk it.

Isn't that exactly the same for US passport holders with NEXUS? They are getting GE due to NEXUS enrollment. IME CBP never asks for NEXUS card unless you use NEXUS card at kiosk.


Originally Posted by Finkface (Post 27384050)
You don't need the card to access the kiosks. The "(overzealous) non-governmental personnel demand(ing) GE/NEXUS cards" is for entry to the expedited CATSA security lane (Canadian version of pre-check lite). There are no checks anywhere by anyone once you pass security and enter the US CBP Pre-Clearance hall to use the GE kiosks. The checks are done by CATSA at the entrance to the security hall if you want to use the expedited security lines.

There is no one stationed post-security to ask for a card. Once you gather your stuff, you walk out Of the security hall to pre-clearance. And there are no checkers at the entrance to the Pre-clearance hall. One just walks in, goes directly to the GE kiosks or just gets in line to see an officer. There isn't anyone lurking about asking to see cards.

Not speaking to the wisdom of using the kiosks without having the card with you (I personally wouldn't risk it) but as far as getting to, and actually using the GE kiosks she will be totally fine. She just won't be allowed in the expedited security lines without the card.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27281747-post44.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27281811-post45.html

My understanding from FT posts is that due to the physical layout at one of the airports (could be YYZ or YVR) you would not have access to GE kiosks if you went thru general security lane. Thus this unique setup is causing eligible Trusted Travelers (as far as CBP is concern) from using GE unless they have been issued and carry GE/NEXUS card. This setup automatically excludes certain eligible groups such as SENTRI and foreign GE member.

Finkface Oct 23, 2016 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by seawolf (Post 27384356)
CBP may ask for whatever document you use at the kiosk whether it be NEXUS card or passport. If you can access kiosks after going thru the non-Trusted Traveler security lanes (due to personnel asking to see NEXUS/GE above), then passport is all you need for kiosk and clearance into US.



Isn't that exactly the same for US passport holders with NEXUS? They are getting GE due to NEXUS enrollment. IME CBP never asks for NEXUS card unless you use NEXUS card at kiosk.



My understanding from FT posts is that due to the physical layout at one of the airports (could be YYZ or YVR) you would not have access to GE kiosks if you went thru general security lane. Thus this unique setup is causing eligible Trusted Travelers (as far as CBP is concern) from using GE unless they have been issued and carry GE/NEXUS card. This setup automatically excludes certain eligible groups such as SENTRI and foreign GE member.

There is no actual dedicated expedited security, just lanes that allow you to bypass the general line. Kind of like a priority lane. Everyone goes to the same place, you just get there faster if you have a Nexus/GE card. You have to do the same things everyone else does (shoes off etc) and everyone comes out the same place. You then exit the security hall and go into another area/room where the CBP officers are.

pa3lsvt Oct 23, 2016 7:02 pm


Originally Posted by Finkface (Post 27384421)
There is no actual dedicated expedited security, just lanes that allow you to bypass the general line. Kind of like a priority lane. Everyone goes to the same place, you just get there faster if you have a Nexus/GE card. You have to do the same things everyone else does (shoes off etc) and everyone comes out the same place. You then exit the security hall and go into another area/room where the CBP officers are.

My experience two weeks ago at YUL (intra-Canada) and YYZ (T3 Transborder) CATSA checkpoints says different. Shoes on, belts on, laptops out was the protocol in the "NEXUS Security" lanes. I left my liquids in, and they were given a cursory secondary check at YYZ and no check at all in YUL.

I have experienced the "skip the line to standard security" at YOW and YUL transborder CATSA checkpoints in the past, so this must vary by time/station.

rman85 Oct 23, 2016 9:10 pm

Am I eligible to apply for nexus?
 
Hi Everyone,

I'm interested in applying for nexus and had a quick question about eligibility.

About 2 years ago, I bought a radar detector and ordered it to Bellingham, WA. When I brought it back, I didn't declare it and was pulled in. They found it and I had to pay a fine or some amount ( I forget now). Totally a silly decision and I would never do anything like this again.

Since then, I've had no issues and haven't been searched at all on any border crossing. Now my GF has nexus and me not having nexus is getting frustrating.

I am trying to figure out if this is an infarction that would preclude me from applying . The elegibility criteria "you have a recorded violation of customs."

Thanks for your help in advance
-R


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