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Old Sep 8, 2020, 2:00 am
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17. Ah, it wasn't ALM and the equipment in question was actually larger than a DC9. And the connection was made at Paramaribo but stops were not made in Curacao or Aruba.
So - if the connection was in PBM the airline had to be Surinam Airlines. The equipment had to be DC-8-63.

Intermediate stops:
- Cayenne (CAY) seems to be most logical to PBM
- Georgetown (GEO) in Guyana looks logical to MIA
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 9:40 am
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12- okay, that says there are three possibilities for the first stop ... I’ll start with one that’s been mentioned herein on more than a few occasions (though seldom in the context of an actual answer ) — Lafayette/LFT
12. A wonderful guess but unfortunately incorrect as Delta never operated mainline jet service into LFT back then. DL does so now with a B717-200 nonstop to ATL early in the day. In 1979, Texas International was operating around eight flights a day on weekdays into Lafayette primarily with the DC-9-10 but also with the DC-9-30 as well and was the only jet operator at LFT. And the city we are looking for here which was stop number two on the direct flight in question operated by Delta is not that far away from Lafayette.
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by TPJ
So - if the connection was in PBM the airline had to be Surinam Airlines. The equipment had to be DC-8-63.

Intermediate stops:
- Cayenne (CAY) seems to be most logical to PBM
- Georgetown (GEO) in Guyana looks logical to MIA
17. Well, according to the relevant Surinam Airways timetable, the aircraft type operated on both flights was the DC8-62. And while the first flight did stop at Cayenne en route to Paramaribo, the stop made by the second flight en route to Miami wasn't Georgetown. Please guess again, sir!
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 10:05 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
12. A wonderful guess but unfortunately incorrect as Delta never operated mainline jet service into LFT back then. DL does so now with a B717-200 nonstop to ATL early in the day. In 1979, Texas International was operating around eight flights a day on weekdays into Lafayette primarily with the DC-9-10 but also with the DC-9-30 as well and was the only jet operator at LFT. And the city we are looking for here which was stop number two on the direct flight in question operated by Delta is not that far away from Lafayette.
12- on the basis of "never operated mainline jet service into ... back then" I suspect Lake Charles/LCH is off the list as well, which therefore leaves Alexandria/AEX as the stop between DFW and BTR
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 10:09 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
17. Well, according to the relevant Surinam Airways timetable, the aircraft type operated on both flights was the DC8-62. And while the first flight did stop at Cayenne en route to Paramaribo, the stop made by the second flight en route to Miami wasn't Georgetown. Please guess again, sir!
I'll posit a guess that the stop between Paramaribo and Miami was at Port of Spain (POS).
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 10:10 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
1. In 1962, North Central Airlines was serving two airports in Canada. Name them both. Fort William/Port Arthur (now Thunder Bay) is correct but Sault Ste. Marie in Ontario province and Winnipeg in Manitoba province are not
1- how about Regina, Saskatchewan (YQR), probably served from Minot ND (MOT)
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 12:00 pm
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12- on the basis of "never operated mainline jet service into ... back then" I suspect Lake Charles/LCH is off the list as well, which therefore leaves Alexandria/AEX as the stop between DFW and BTR
12. Yep! Here's the sched.....

DL 332: Las Vegas (LAS) 10:48a - 3:02p Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) 3:33p 4:25p Alexandria (ESF) 4:50p - 5:13p Baton Rouge (BTR) 5:38p - 7:58p Atlanta (ATL) 8:59p - 10:30p Baltimore (BAL)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Lunch LAS-DFW, Dinner BTR-ATL
Equip: B727-200

Alexandria (served by the old Esler Regional Airport at this time) was one of the smaller cities in the south to receive mainline Delta jet service with these flights ending in 1983. And BTW, we did not see Delta service here in Lafayette until the late 1980's......and those flights were operated by Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) as the Delta Connection with the EMB-120 Brasilia to DFW. It wasn't until later that LFT had DL Connection service operated by ASA with the Brasilia to ATL with these flights making an intermediate stop in Meridian, MS.
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Originally Posted by Bluehen1
I'll posit a guess that the stop between Paramaribo and Miami was at Port of Spain (POS).
17. Please guess again, sir!
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Old Sep 8, 2020, 12:09 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
1- how about Regina, Saskatchewan (YQR), probably served from Minot ND (MOT)
1. Correct! North Central was operating daily DC-3 service at this time on a routing of Regina - Minot - Bismarck/Mandan - Aberdeen - Huron - Mitchell - Sioux Falls - Sioux City - Omaha.
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Old Sep 9, 2020, 7:04 am
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17. Well, according to the relevant Surinam Airways timetable, the aircraft type operated on both flights was the DC8-62. And while the first flight did stop at Cayenne en route to Paramaribo, the stop made by the second flight en route to Miami wasn't Georgetown. Please guess again, sir!
I'll leave it to others for the intermediate stop (it's not obvious !) but Surinam Airways, a quasi-government operator, had two DC-8s, one, a leased KLM DC8-63, did two trips a week to Amsterdam (Surinam is a onetime Dutch colony) with KLM crews, the other, the DC8-62, formerly with Braniff, did the twice weekly flight to Miami, plus one or two other things, it was still on the US register and crewed by contract pilots from Miami. The entire schedule could actually have been managed by one aircraft.

A few years later and the DC8-62, this time on the Amsterdam flight, crashed on approach to Paramaribo in early morning fog, with the loss of all on board. The "captain" was 7 years over the FAA age limit for commercial pilots, which applied, this being a US-registered aircraft. As you can imagine, the FAA went ballistic with the crew supplier and aircraft lessors in Miami, although they could do nothing about the Surinam-based carrier.
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Old Sep 9, 2020, 9:30 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon

As always, please limit your responses to two quiz items per day so that all may participate. And we are looking for as much detail as possible with regard to specific aircraft types. When in doubt, let the OAG equipment codes be your guide. Thanks!

4. Now it's 1968 and you are preparing to depart from Los Angeles to Rio de Janeiro. Your flight only operates on Saturdays and will make three stops en route. Identify the airline, all three stops and the aircraft. ANSWERED

7. You have been enjoying an extended cruise on the Amazon River in Brazil in 1975 and are now in Belem. It's been a great adventure but business calls and that means a trip to Paris. You've found a very convenient connecting service operated twice a week involving two airlines which actually appears in the timetable of the first air carrier you will fly with from Belem. Your first flight will be nonstop to the airport where the connection will be made with 90 minutes on the ground. And your second flight will be nonstop as well. Identify both air carriers, the connecting city and the different aircraft types operated on each flight.

17. It's 1984 and you are back in Belem in Brazil. This time you are headed to Miami and have found an interesting connecting service which is offered on a weekly basis with both flights being operated by the same airline. These flights are also operated with the same equipment with this aircraft being configured with 20 seats in first class. You book seats in first, of course. Your first flight will make one stop en route to the connecting airport where you will be on the ground for one hour and five minutes. Your second flight will also make one stop en route. Identify the air carrier, the stop made by the first flight, the connecting city, the stop made by the second flight and the equipment. ANSWERED
Just three two one more to go here.....

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Old Sep 9, 2020, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by WHBM
.....Surinam Airways, a quasi-government operator, had two DC-8s, one, a leased KLM DC8-63, did two trips a week to Amsterdam (Surinam is a onetime Dutch colony) with KLM crews, the other, the DC8-62, formerly with Braniff, did the twice weekly flight to Miami, plus one or two other things, it was still on the US register and crewed by contract pilots from Miami. The entire schedule could actually have been managed by one aircraft.

A few years later and the DC8-62, this time on the Amsterdam flight, crashed on approach to Paramaribo in early morning fog, with the loss of all on board. The "captain" was 7 years over the FAA age limit for commercial pilots, which applied, this being a US-registered aircraft. As you can imagine, the FAA went ballistic with the crew supplier and aircraft lessors in Miami, although they could do nothing about the Surinam-based carrier.
Interesting to note that Surinam Airways (PY) was serving Amsterdam at one point during 1984 via a connection at San Juan involving a U.S. based air carrier. Surinam Airways would operate a D8S nonstop between Paramaribo and San Juan where passengers would then connect to an Arrow Air (JW) D8S for the nonstop service between SJU and AMS. These respective flights were operated twice a week.

BTW, during my time as a V.P. of Marketing with Evergreen I would visit Port of Spain on a regular basis as Evergreen was operating Bell 212 helicopters as well as a Lear 35 from POS. The company was also exploring possible work in Guyana and Suriname at the time. Friends in the aviation business in Trinidad counseled me not to travel on Surinam Airways if I could possibly avoid them.

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Old Sep 9, 2020, 10:34 am
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Originally Posted by jlemon
4.Now it's 1968 and you are preparing to depart from Los Angeles to Rio de Janeiro. Your flight only operates on Saturdays and will make three stops en route. Identify the airline, all three stops and the aircraft. The airline was Aerolineas Peruanas S.A. (APSA), the equipment was a Convair 990A and one of the stops was Lima. LIM wasn't the third stop and the flight in question did not stop at MEX, PTY, GUA or GYE.
4- well, let’s start dissecting this:
  • unless APSA served a Central American capital (Managua/MGA, Tegucigalpa/TGU, Belize/BZE, San Jose/SJO, or San Salvador/SAL, all of which I have to believe were highly unlikely), the only remaining possibility for the first stop is Acapulco/ACA
  • we know that LIM wasn’t the third stop, so it must have been the second
  • of the South American capitals beyond LIM (La Paz/LPB, Asunción/AEP, Montevideo/MVD, and Santiago/SCL), the latter is by far the most likely candidate for the third
so we have LAX-ACA-LIM-SCL-GIG
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Old Sep 9, 2020, 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
4- well, let’s start dissecting this:
  • unless APSA served a Central American capital (Managua/MGA, Tegucigalpa/TGU, Belize/BZE, San Jose/SJO, or San Salvador/SAL, all of which I have to believe were highly unlikely), the only remaining possibility for the first stop is Acapulco/ACA
  • we know that LIM wasn’t the third stop, so it must have been the second
  • of the South American capitals beyond LIM (La Paz/LPB, Asunción/AEP, Montevideo/MVD, and Santiago/SCL), the latter is by far the most likely candidate for the third
so we have LAX-ACA-LIM-SCL-GIG
4. An astute dissection.....and you've correctly identified the first and second stops being Acapulco and Lima. However, Santiago wasn't the third stop.
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Old Sep 9, 2020, 12:31 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
4. An astute dissection.....and you've correctly identified the first and second stops being Acapulco and Lima. However, Santiago wasn't the third stop.
4- well, that would be due to some geographical dyslexia in that I was basing those other potential stops on the location of Buenos Aires (EZE) rather than Rio ... while the final stop could actually have been EZE, Sao Paolo (GRU) makes much more sense
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