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Old Sep 3, 2020, 12:10 pm
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727-22 — perhaps even a QC on some days
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 1:33 pm
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1. In 1962, North Central Airlines was serving two airports in Canada. Name them both.
Fort William/Port Arthur (now Thunder Bay) is correct but Sault Ste. Marie in Ontario province is not

I am at a loss here, so I'm going to go with what makes sense regionally - Winnipeg, likely served out of Duluth.

4. Now it's 1968 and you are preparing to depart from Los Angeles to Rio de Janeiro. Your flight only operates on Saturdays and will make three stops en route. Identify the airline, all three stops and the aircraft.

There are a number of options here... let's go with the obvious choice first - VARIG operating a Convair 990 via... MEX, PTY, LIM and EZE
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
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8. Yep....although I'm not sure about the Quick Change model. Here are the scheds.....

UA 118: Hilo (ITO) 3:10p - 11:00p Los Angeles (LAX) 12:25a - 6:05a Chicago O'Hare (ORD) 7:30a - 9:48a Pittsburgh (PIT)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal services: Dinner ITO-LAX, Snack LAX-ORD, Breakfast in F & Snack in Y ORD-PIT
Equip: 747

Connecting to.....

UA 255: Pittsburgh (PIT) 11:10a - 12:32p New Orleans (MSY)
Freq: Daily
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: Lunch
Equip: 727

BTW, United was only operating two flights a day into New Orleans at this time and they were both nonstops from Pittsburgh operated with B727-100 aircraft.
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 1:50 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat 2A
1. In 1962, North Central Airlines was serving two airports in Canada. Name them both.
Fort William/Port Arthur (now Thunder Bay) is correct but Sault Ste. Marie in Ontario province is not

I am at a loss here, so I'm going to go with what makes sense regionally - Winnipeg, likely served out of Duluth.

4. Now it's 1968 and you are preparing to depart from Los Angeles to Rio de Janeiro. Your flight only operates on Saturdays and will make three stops en route. Identify the airline, all three stops and the aircraft.

There are a number of options here... let's go with the obvious choice first - VARIG operating a Convair 990 via... MEX, PTY, LIM and EZE
1. Ah, it wasn't Winnipeg.....but you are getting closer.

4. Well, you've correctly guessed the equipment: the Convair 990A. However, the airline in question wasn't VARIG, the first stop wasn't made in Mexico City and the second stop wasn't made in Panama City......although the flight in question did stop in Lima.

And remember: we are looking for three stops here between L.A. and Rio, not four.

Please guess again, sir!
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon

As always, please limit your responses to two quiz items per day so that all may participate. And we are looking for as much detail as possible with regard to specific aircraft types. When in doubt, let the OAG equipment codes be your guide. Thanks!

1. In 1962, North Central Airlines was serving two airports in Canada. Name them both. Fort William/Port Arthur (now Thunder Bay) is correct but Sault Ste. Marie in Ontario province and Winnipeg in Manitoba province are not

2. Speaking of Canada, it's still 1962 and you are in Goose Bay. You need to travel to Montreal for a lunch meeting and have found a nonstop flight which only operates twice a week. Fortunately, one of the days this flight operates is the day you need to travel. Identify the air carrier and the equipment. ANSWERED

4. Now it's 1968 and you are preparing to depart from Los Angeles to Rio de Janeiro. Your flight only operates on Saturdays and will make three stops en route. Identify the airline, all three stops and the aircraft. The airline was Aerolineas Peruanas S.A. (APSA) and the equipment was a Convair 990A. This flight did not stop at MEX, PTY, GUA or GYE. One of the stops was LIM.....but LIM wasn't the third stop.

The next four quiz items have a time line of 1975.....

7. It's 1975.You have been enjoying an extended cruise on the Amazon River in Brazil and are now in Belem. It's been a great adventure but business calls and that means a trip to Paris. You've found a very convenient connecting service operated twice a week involving two airlines which actually appears in the timetable of the first air carrier you will fly with from Belem. Your first flight will be nonstop to the airport where the connection will be made with 90 minutes on the ground. And your second flight will be nonstop as well. Identify both air carriers, the connecting city and the different aircraft types operated on each flight.

11. Now it's 1977 and you are in Manchester in the UK. You are once again headed to Rio de Janeiro and will have to make a connection with the same airline operating both flights. Your first flight will be nonstop to the connection airport where you will be on the ground for one hour and 50 minutes. Your second flight will make one stop en route. Name the air carrier, the connecting airport, the stop made by the second flight and the different aircraft types operated on each flight.

12. You've been attending a convention in Las Vegas in 1979 and need to travel to Baltimore on business. You're in no hurry and have found an interesting flight which will make four stops en route and operates daily. Identify the airline, all four stops in order and the equipment.

13. It's 1980. You are on your way in first class to Tokyo from Johannesburg on board a flight which makes three stops en route and operates twice a week. Name the air carrier, all three stops in order and the equipment. ANSWERED

14. You are back in Hawaii in 1981, this time in the village of Hanalei on the island of Kauai. You're off to Glasgow in Scotland on a long journey that will involve three different airlines and thus two connections. You will depart from Kauai from the closest airport to Hanalei on a short nonstop flight to Honolulu where you will have two and one-half hours to make your connection. Your second flight operates twice a week and makes one stop en route to the airport where you will make your second connection with one hour and five minutes on the ground with this connecting service actually listed in the timetable of the airline you will be departing on from HNL on your second flight. Your third flight to Glasgow will be nonstop and operates six days a week. Identify the airport you will depart from on Kauai, all three air carriers, the stop made by the second flight, the airport where you will make your second connection, the airport you will arrive into in Glasgow and the three different aircraft types. ANSWERED

16. In 1983, this airline introduced a business class product it called "Super Executive" class. The air carrier in question also claimed it had reduced the number of seats in its business class from an average of 48 to 28 in order to provide "a less crowded cabin" with the service offering larger 26 inch wide seats, 60% increased seat recline, enhanced cuisine and wines, and special ground service. Name the air carrier and the aircraft type which featured "Super Executive" class. ANSWERED

17. It's 1984 and you are back in Belem in Brazil. This time you are headed to Miami and have found an interesting connecting service which is offered on a weekly basis with both flights being operated by the same airline. These flights are also operated with the same equipment with this aircraft being configured with 20 seats in first class. You book seats in first, of course. Your first flight will make one stop en route to the connecting airport where you will be on the ground for one hour and five minutes. Your second flight will also make one stop en route. Identify the air carrier, the stop made by the first flight, the connecting city, the stop made by the second flight and the equipment.

18. In 1985, it was possible to fly nonstop to Dallas Love Field from three different airports in the Houston area. Two of these airports in the Houston area were HOU and IAH, of course. Name the third Houston area airport as well as the airline that operated nonstop flights from it to DAL and be sure to include the equipment used on this service which was the only aircraft type operated by the air carrier in question. ANSWERED
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 2:20 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
18. In 1985, it was possible to fly nonstop to Dallas Love Field from three different airports in the Houston area. Two of these airports in the Houston area were HOU and IAH, of course. Name the third Houston area airport as well as the airline that operated nonstop flights from it to DAL and be sure to include the equipment used on this service which was the only aircraft type operated by the air carrier in question. It wasn't the Clear Lake City STOLport (CLC) or Ellington Field (EFD), the air carrier wasn't Royale Airlines or Emerald Air and the equipment wasn't the DHC-6 Twin Otter or DC9-10.
So I got down a bit of a rabbit hole looking at Texas airports. This appears to have been Air West flying from West Houston Airport (IWS) with a Dash 7.
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 2:47 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
The next two quiz items both have a time line of 1981.....
14. You are back in Hawaii, this time in the village of Hanalei on the island of Kauai. You're off to Glasgow in Scotland on a long journey that will involve three different airlines and thus two connections. You will depart from Kauai from the closest airport to Hanalei on a short nonstop flight to Honolulu where you will have two and one-half hours to make your connection. Your second flight operates twice a week and makes one stop en route to the airport where you will make your second connection with one hour and five minutes on the ground with this connecting service actually listed in the timetable of the airline you will be departing on from HNL on your second flight. Your third flight to Glasgow will be nonstop and operates six days a week. Identify the airport you will depart from on Kauai, all three air carriers, the stop made by the second flight, the airport where you will make your second connection, the airport you will arrive into in Glasgow and the three different aircraft types.
Taking a stab at this. I don't know what airline it would have been but I believe that Princeville, Kauai had airline service at some point in time.
Flight 1: Airline TBD, Twin Otter, Princeville-HNL
Flight 2: CP, DC-10, HNL-YVR-YYZ
Flight 3: AC, L-1011, YYZ-GLA
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 3:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Bluehen1
So I got down a bit of a rabbit hole looking at Texas airports. This appears to have been Air West flying from West Houston Airport (IWS) with a Dash 7.
18. Correct! This version of Air West (which I believe was in no way connected with Hughes Airwest or its predecessor of the same name) was operating eight nonstop flights on weekdays in each direction between West Houston Airport (IWS) and Dallas Love Field (DAL) in early 1985. It was their only scheduled route. And there was a very good reason why this new start up commuter air carrier operated the de Havilland Canada DHC-7 Dash 7: the one and only runway at IWS was (and still is) a mere 3,953 feet / 1,205 meters long. The Air West (two letter code WI) service did not last very long but the passenger terminal is still there and is now used by the local FBO.

BTW, I am very familiar with the West Houston Airport having flown in and out of there a number of times on board a company operated Beechcraft King Air back when I was a Marketing Manager with Petroleum Helicopters (PHI). We would fly over on business for the day from KLFT on the King Air (which had no problem with the short runway) as a number of oil & gas companies had their offices located on the west side of Houston and IWS was the closest airfield. I would also oversee VIP helicopter charters departing from IWS and the Sikorsky S-76 did not have any problems with the short runway as well.....
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Old Sep 3, 2020, 3:52 pm
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Originally Posted by jlemon
4. Now it's 1968 and you are preparing to depart from Los Angeles to Rio de Janeiro. Your flight only operates on Saturdays and will make three stops en route. Identify the airline, all three stops and the aircraft.
Well, you've correctly guessed the equipment: the Convair 990A. However, the airline in question wasn't VARIG, the first stop wasn't made in Mexico City and the second stop wasn't made in Panama City......although the flight in question did stop in Lima.

Hmm... Well, as Convair 990 operators go, there was APSA out of Peru and that Ecuadorean outfit, the latter of which I don't think served LA. The problem is that is the flight didn't stop at MEX, I'm not sure where else the 990 would have had the legs to make it to. Maybe Miami eastbound, but I've never heard of a South American airline operating LAX-MIA with the usual "Conditional Stopover Traffic Only" appendage. And you say Panama City is out, which is even farther than Miami from LAX. Let's try APSA LAX --> Guatemala City --> Guayaquil --> Lima --> Rio
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Taking a stab at this. I don't know what airline it would have been but I believe that Princeville, Kauai had airline service at some point in time.
Flight 1: Airline TBD, Twin Otter, Princeville-HNL
Flight 2: CP, DC-10, HNL-YVR-YYZ
Flight 3: AC, L-1011, YYZ-GLA
14. Well, you've got the airport and the aircraft correct concerning flight 1: Princeville (HPV) and the DHC-6 Twin Otter. And if you think about the name of the airport, you just might come up with the name of this commuter air carrier which eventually became Aloha IslandAir.

As for flights 2 and 3, please guess again, sir, as CP Air and Air Canada were not involved and the flights in question did not stop or connect in Canada.

However, the second flight was operated with a DC-10 departing from HNL.

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4. Yes indeed, the air carrier we are looking for here is Aerolineas Peruanas S.A. (APSA). However, the flight in question operated with a Convair 990A did not stop in Guatemala City or Guayaquil. And although we know the flight stopped in Lima, LIM wasn't the third stop. Please guess again, sir!
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14. You are back in Hawaii, this time in the village of Hanalei on the island of Kauai. You're off to Glasgow in Scotland on a long journey that will involve three different airlines and thus two connections. You will depart from Kauai from the closest airport to Hanalei on a short nonstop flight to Honolulu where you will have two and one-half hours to make your connection. Your second flight operates twice a week and makes one stop en route to the airport where you will make your second connection with one hour and five minutes on the ground with this connecting service actually listed in the timetable of the airline you will be departing on from HNL on your second flight. Your third flight to Glasgow will be nonstop and operates six days a week. Identify the airport you will depart from on Kauai, all three air carriers, the stop made by the second flight, the airport where you will make your second connection, the airport you will arrive into in Glasgow and the three different aircraft types.


Well, you've got the airport and the aircraft correct concerning flight 1: Princeville (HPV) and the DHC-6 Twin Otter. And if you think about the name of the airport, you just might come up with the name of this commuter air carrier which eventually became Aloha IslandAir.
Let's gor with Princeville Airlines (if there was such a thing) on the 1st leg,

connecting to a Continental DC-10-30 flying to xDEN and LGW

connecting to Dan Air BAC 1-11 to GLA?
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Let's gor with Princeville Airlines (if there was such a thing) on the 1st leg,

connecting to a Continental DC-10-30 flying to xDEN and LGW

connecting to Dan Air BAC 1-11 to GLA?
14. Well sir, there was indeed a Princeville Airways (WP). I believe they began operations in 1980 in order to provide a more convenient link between Honolulu and the north shore of Kauai where the Princeville resort is located (which BTW is a very nice place - I proposed to Lady K while we were vacationing there some years ago) as the Lihue Airport (LIH) is a bit of a drive. Here's a photo of one of their Twin Otters....

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Prin...-Otter/2566982

You have also correctly guessed the aircraft operated on the second flight: the DC-10-30.

However, this flight departing from Honolulu was not operated by Continental and the stop wasn't made in Denver.

But the second connection was made at London Gatwick to a BAC One-Eleven heading nonstop to Glasgow (GLA) although this flight wasn't operated by Dan-Air.

Please guess again!

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2. Speaking of Canada, it's still 1962 and you are in Goose Bay. You need to travel to Montreal for a lunch meeting and have found a nonstop flight which only operates twice a week. Fortunately, one of the days this flight operates is the day you need to travel. Identify the air carrier and the equipment. It wasn't Maritime Central or Air Labrador and the aircraft wasn't a Canadair North Star or Douglas DC-4
I think this might be Trans-Canada Airlines, and the aircraft a Vickers Vanguard.
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Old Sep 4, 2020, 8:44 am
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I think this might be Trans-Canada Airlines, and the aircraft a Vickers Vanguard.
2. Correct! Here's the round trip sched....

TC 770: Montreal Dorval (YUL) 3:05a - 6:25a Goose Bay (YYR)
Freq: Wednesdays and Saturdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: None
Equip: VANGUARD

TC 771: Goose Bay (YYR) 8:55a - 10:30a Montreal Dorval (YUL)
Freq: Wednesdays and Saturdays only
Service classes: F/Y
Meal service: None
Equip: VANGUARD

BTW, fourteen years later in 1976, Eastern Provincial (PV) was the only air carrier serving Goose Bay with all flights being operated into YYR with B737-200 equipment. Goose had nonstop 737 service from Churchill Falls, Deer Lake, Moncton, Montreal, Stephenville and Wabush with direct one stop service from St. John's although most of these flights were not operated on a daily basis.
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