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-   -   KVS Availability Tool (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travel-tools/319244-kvs-availability-tool.html)

KVS Feb 14, 2007 3:42 pm
Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 7098827)
How about a more robust update system such as a 'would you like to upgrade' (I'm sure we all would ;)) or an email to those who you hold details for?
I am pleased to report that the upcoming version of the Tool will feature an update notification mechanism:

Once every 10 days, the Tool will automatically check to see if there is a newer version available for download, and, if so, an appropriate message will be displayed.

jfulcher Feb 14, 2007 7:42 pm
Does the tool work for V upgrade availability on DL?

Otherwise I'm forced to pay for expertflyer for that and KVS for award availability.

KVS Feb 14, 2007 10:08 pm
Originally Posted by jfulcher (Post 7226509)
Does the tool work for V upgrade availability on DL?
I am afraid not: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...62#post3983062

virtualtroy Feb 15, 2007 12:04 am
Originally Posted by KVS (Post 7225013)
I am pleased to report that the upcoming version of the Tool will feature an update notification mechanism:

Once every 10 days, the Tool will automatically check to see if there is a newer version available for download, and, if so, an appropriate message will be displayed.
Great, thank you. ^

Cyba Feb 15, 2007 2:06 am
Originally Posted by KVS (Post 7225013)
I am pleased to report that the upcoming version of the Tool will feature an update notification mechanism:

Once every 10 days, the Tool will automatically check to see if there is a newer version available for download, and, if so, an appropriate message will be displayed.
Hey! That's a great idea. Thanks for doing this.^ ^ ^

Brobbel Feb 15, 2007 11:43 am
Probably this is asked before, only I couldn't find it.

Is it possible to look for award availibility for a period of time? Now it's possible for some route per day, but when I'm very flexible (holidays) I have to do this many times.

I know it's possible to go one day back with ctrl+pgdn and forward with ctrl+pgup, but I should like the possibility to give some timeframe.

And another one: it should be nice if it was possible to do the search automatically (on the background, every day or so), and give a message when award tickets occured...

But I know, this is probably too complicated to do, but maybe... ;)

KVS Feb 15, 2007 2:08 pm
Originally Posted by Brobbel (Post 7230173)
Probably this is asked before, only I couldn't find it.

Is it possible to look for award availibility for a period of time? Now it's possible for some route per day, but when I'm very flexible (holidays) I have to do this many times.

I know it's possible to go one day back with ctrl+pgdn and forward with ctrl+pgup, but I should like the possibility to give some timeframe.

And another one: it should be nice if it was possible to do the search automatically (on the background, every day or so), and give a message when award tickets occured...

But I know, this is probably too complicated to do, but maybe... ;)
I am afraid that this is one of the few things that I really can't do at the moment (not because it's too complicated, but because it will probably 'kill' the Tool) ...

Therefore, using Filters (to weed-out the irrelevant results) in combination with Ctrl+PgUp/PgDown is the best I can offer at the moment.

jfulcher Feb 15, 2007 2:52 pm
I am having problems finding Delta award availability. It seems like all the searches come back with a bunch of NW/KLM flights even though my originating city is ATL (DL hub). I'm wondering what this tool is giving me over the NWA JP site, it seems to return the same info. I think I wasted $30 contributing.

KVS Feb 15, 2007 3:14 pm
Originally Posted by jfulcher (Post 7231352)
I am having problems finding Delta award availability. It seems like all the searches come back with a bunch of NW/KLM flights even though my originating city is ATL (DL hub).
Given the fact that the data comes from NW, a NW/KL 'bias' is certainly possible. However, looking at a sample city pair, it seems to to work OK:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.8.0/Platinum - ITA: Awards/SkyTeam/JP-NWA]
Code:
ATL  Atlanta William B Hartsfield GA US [KATL]
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA EWR
THU  01 Mar 2007 / 1 Seat

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C      Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------
DL        474    ATL  06:45    LGA  08:57              YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        656    ATL  07:00    EWR  09:04              YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        504    ATL  07:45    LGA  09:58    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1154  ATL  08:10    EWR  10:27    737      YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        506    ATL  08:45    LGA  10:57              YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        489    ATL  09:45    LGA  12:06    737      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1164  ATL  09:55    EWR  12:17    737      YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        1278  ATL  10:15    EWR  12:27              YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        921    ATL  10:45    LGA  13:07    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1548  ATL  11:40    LGA  13:57    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        84    ATL  12:25    EWR  14:50    737      YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        1236  ATL  12:35    EWR  14:45    757      YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        396    ATL  12:45    LGA  15:11    737      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1160  ATL  13:30    EWR  15:52    737      YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
DL        488    ATL  13:40    LGA  15:59    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1601  ATL  14:45    EWR  17:00    757      YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        950    ATL  15:44    LGA  18:10    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1150  ATL  15:45    EWR  18:10    737      YS- YA+  CS- CA+
DL        1631  ATL  16:00    EWR  18:22              YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        430    ATL  16:45    LGA  19:15              YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        984    ATL  17:30    EWR  19:56    757      YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
CO        1152  ATL  17:30    EWR  20:10    737      YS- YA+  CS- CA+
DL        384    ATL  18:45    LGA  21:15    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
CO        1156  ATL  19:30    EWR  21:50    737      YS- YA+  CS- CA+
DL        366    ATL  19:40    EWR  22:00    757      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1260  ATL  19:45    LGA  22:10    757      YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        1012  ATL  20:45    LGA  23:04              YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        518    ATL  21:15    JFK  23:26              YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
DL        1256  ATL  21:40    LGA  23:54    737      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
DL        1010  ATL  21:45    EWR  23:48    737      YS+ YA-  CS+ CA-
NW/Delta  9571  ATL  07:13    DTW  09:15    CRJ      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
 -> NW    893    DTW  10:06    JFK  11:47    DC9
NW        474    ATL  07:06    DTW  09:01    319      YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    893    DTW  10:06    JFK  11:47    DC9
NW        474    ATL  07:06    DTW  09:01    319      YS- YA+  CS- CA+
 -> NW    542    DTW  10:10    LGA  11:48    320
NW        203    ATL  07:38    MEM  08:01    DC9      YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    1254  MEM  08:30    EWR  11:57    DC9
NW        950    ATL  13:10    MEM  13:36    DC9      YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    632    MEM  14:30    LGA  18:08    DC9
NW/Delta  8988  ATL  17:19    CVG  19:00    737      YS+ YA-  CS- CA-
 -> NW/De 9141  CVG  19:55    LGA  22:00    757
NW        205    ATL  17:22    MEM  17:50    DC9      YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    634    MEM  18:35    LGA  22:06    320
NW        205    ATL  17:22    MEM  17:50    DC9      YS+ YA+  CS+ CA+
 -> NW    1256  MEM  18:30    EWR  22:09    DC9
NW        472    ATL  18:14    DTW  20:20    DC9      YS+ YA+  CS- CA+
 -> NW    262    DTW  21:30    LGA  23:09    757

jfulcher Feb 15, 2007 3:56 pm
I'm specifically looking for ATL-CDG availability (where you have tons of possibilities) and MUC-ATL (same here). (on 4/6/07 and 4/15/07 respectively.)

It doesn't even show the direct DL flights, which are available at the sky choice rates.

Maybe it works great domestically, but my point is I didn't realize it was going to give me the same info I can get outside the tool on the NWA JP site. I have no other use for the tool as I have to use expert flyer to search for V/X/Z/G inventory on DL.

KVS Feb 15, 2007 4:27 pm
Originally Posted by jfulcher (Post 7231774)
I'm specifically looking for ATL-CDG availability (where you have tons of possibilities) and MUC-ATL (same here). (on 4/6/07 and 4/15/07 respectively.)

It doesn't even show the direct DL flights, which are available at the sky choice rates.
First of all, DL flights, which only have "Sky Choice" availability would never show-up using the [Awards/SkyTeam] method, because YA/CA classes are only applicable to NW, KL, and CO flights. BTW, if anyone knows which booking classes correspond to "Sky Choice" awards on DL, pls let me know, so that I can updated the DL chart.

If you are certain that there is standard availability on DL for the dates/city pairs in question, then it must, indeed, be the 'bias' issue, which is, unfortunately beyond my control ...

jfulcher Feb 15, 2007 5:00 pm
I'm pretty sure that DL books Skychoice award tickets in the same buckets as skysaver awards. Basically the Skychoice award is available if there is a revenue seat available - and by paying double the miles it opens up inventory for you in those applicable buckets. That's the way I understand it at least.

KVS Feb 15, 2007 5:24 pm
Originally Posted by jfulcher (Post 7232184)
I'm pretty sure that DL books Skychoice award tickets in the same buckets as skysaver awards. Basically the Skychoice award is available if there is a revenue seat available - and by paying double the miles it opens up inventory for you in those applicable buckets. That's the way I understand it at least.
Ah, OK -- thanks for the info.

Brobbel Feb 16, 2007 11:34 am
How consistent is the info from KVS?

I tried AMS-YYZ on Feb. 18,2007
On Sabre:
KL691 J9 C9 Z9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 V2
so there are C9 (open miles business award) and S9 (open miles economy award). No D, no W.

So I expected on ITA Awards/Skyteam:
KL691 YS- YA+ CS- CA+

But surprisingly it says:
KL 691 YS- YA+ CS+ CA+

Howcome?

Added:
the same info for 1-6 seats on ITA, but when 7 or more seats are requested it gives
YS- YA+ CS- CA+

KVS Feb 16, 2007 11:57 am
Originally Posted by Brobbel (Post 7236738)
How consistent is the info from KVS?
It is as consistent as KL wants it to be :) ...

Originally Posted by Brobbel (Post 7236738)
I tried AMS-YYZ on Feb. 18,2007
On Sabre:
KL691 J9 C9 Z9 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 V2
so there are C9 (open miles business award) and S9 (open miles economy award). No D, no W.
Looks like KL is not always showing award availability via Sabre: I tried it a few minutes ago and it was also not showing D. However, when I tried again, D 'magically' appeared:

[KVS Availability Tool 2.8.0/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/US-AXC1]
Code:
AMS  Amsterdam-Schiphol NL [EHAM]
YYZ  Toronto Pearson Int'l ON CA [CYYZ]
SUN  18 Feb 2007

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- -----------------------------------
KL        691    AMS  13:25    YYZ  15:40    777  0    J9 C9 Z9 D6 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L8 Q8 T8
Originally Posted by Brobbel (Post 7236738)
Added:
the same info for 1-6 seats on ITA, but when 7 or more seats are requested it gives
YS- YA+ CS- CA+
This means that the actual availability was D6.


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