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MNAudiS4 Feb 7, 2007 8:26 pm

So is the worldspan seatmap toast? Its been almost 5 days and no fix. I really don't like launching another web browser and than having to price out a ticket to get the seatmap

KVS Feb 7, 2007 9:30 pm


Originally Posted by MNAudiS4 (Post 7179984)
So is the worldspan seatmap toast? Its been almost 5 days and no fix. I really don't like launching another web browser and than having to price out a ticket to get the seatmap

Not at all -- it just needs to be fixed (by whoever 'broke' it in the first place). I miss it too, but, unfortunately, there is not much I can do at this point to speed-up that process ...

In the meantime, I am also working on making the Galileo seat maps to work on a '1-click' basis, so you will no longer need to manually go through a dummy booking process ...

Cyba Feb 8, 2007 3:48 am

Apollo seems to have started listing flights on a random basis. Until recently it seemed to list (1) nonstop or direct flights with any seat availability (2) connecting flights with availability and then (3) nonstop/ direct flights with no availability.

In the last few days I've noticed that it has started burrying nonstop flights with availability between connecting flights so that unless you know there is a flight there you might not know to look for it.

Yes, I ask to sort by # of connex
Example is LHR-HKG 27 Mar

KVS Feb 8, 2007 12:07 pm


Originally Posted by Cyba (Post 7181426)
Apollo seems to have started listing flights on a random basis. Until recently it seemed to list (1) nonstop or direct flights with any seat availability (2) connecting flights with availability and then (3) nonstop/ direct flights with no availability.

In the last few days I've noticed that it has started burrying nonstop flights with availability between connecting flights so that unless you know there is a flight there you might not know to look for it.

Yes, I ask to sort by # of connex
Example is LHR-HKG 27 Mar

ITN has always listed flights with zero availability in the Economy cabin last. If you are dealing with an unfamiliar route, it may advisable to look at the [Amadeus Timetable] first ...

[KVS Availability Tool 2.7.4/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-BMB]
Code:

LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
TUE  27 Mar 2007

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- --------------------------------------------------
CX        252    LHR  12:45    HKG  07:25 +1  744  0    F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q0 O0
NZ        38    LHR  21:05    HKG  15:50 +1  744  0    C4 D4 Z2 J4 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 T0 L0 S0 G0 K0  0  0  0
VS        200    LHR  22:30    HKG  17:50 +1  346  0    J0 D0 Z0 S0 Y1 B1 L0 M0 Q0 X0 N0  0  0


LH/BD    6587  LHR  12:05    AMS  14:20    32S  0    Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 G4 L4 T4
 -> KL    887    AMS  15:20    HKG  08:30 +1  74M  0    J9 C9 Z5 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9
BA        908    LHR  13:50    FRA  16:35    319  0    J9 C8 D5 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 V9 N9 E9 L9 S9 Q9
 -> LH    738    FRA  17:45    HKG  10:30 +1  747  0    F9 A9 C9 D9 Z9 R0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 S9


QF        30    LHR  12:20    HKG  07:10 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
BA        25    LHR  18:25    HKG  13:20 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 I4 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 V0 N0 L0 S0 Q0  0  0
O8        707    LGW  20:40    HKG  15:00 +1  744  0    J0 D0 U0 I0 Z0 F4 B0 V0 P4 H0 M0 L0


virtualtroy Feb 8, 2007 12:16 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 7183963)
[KVS Availability Tool 2.7.4/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-BMB]
Code:

LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY
HKG  Hong Kong Int'l HK [VHHH]
TUE  27 Mar 2007

Carrier  Flight From Depart    To  Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- --------------------------------------------------
CX        252    LHR  12:45    HKG  07:25 +1  744  0    F4 A4 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q0 O0
NZ        38    LHR  21:05    HKG  15:50 +1  744  0    C4 D4 Z2 J4 Y7 B7 M7 H7 Q7 V7 W7 T0 L0 S0 G0 K0  0  0  0
VS        200    LHR  22:30    HKG  17:50 +1  346  0    J0 D0 Z0 S0 Y1 B1 L0 M0 Q0 X0 N0  0  0


LH/BD    6587  LHR  12:05    AMS  14:20    32S  0    Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 V4 W4 S4 G4 L4 T4
 -> KL    887    AMS  15:20    HKG  08:30 +1  74M  0    J9 C9 Z5 S9 B9 M9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9
BA        908    LHR  13:50    FRA  16:35    319  0    J9 C8 D5 I4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 R9 V9 N9 E9 L9 S9 Q9
 -> LH    738    FRA  17:45    HKG  10:30 +1  747  0    F9 A9 C9 D9 Z9 R0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 S9


QF        30    LHR  12:20    HKG  07:10 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0
BA        25    LHR  18:25    HKG  13:20 +1  744  0    F8 A8 J9 C9 D9 I4 Y0 B0 H0 K0 M0 R0 V0 N0 L0 S0 Q0  0  0
O8        707    LGW  20:40    HKG  15:00 +1  744  0    J0 D0 U0 I0 Z0 F4 B0 V0 P4 H0 M0 L0



Veering slightly OT, but given this combo of dates / routing, VS is in the money. While CX (direct), LH, KL have big problems with seats down the back. QF, NZ meanwhile seem to have healthy non-premium loads, but, wow, what a disappointment for the cabins which pay the fuel bill...

Globaliser Feb 8, 2007 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by virtualtroy (Post 7184038)
Veering slightly OT, but given this combo of dates / routing, VS is in the money. While CX (direct), LH, KL have big problems with seats down the back. QF, NZ meanwhile seem to have healthy non-premium loads, but, wow, what a disappointment for the cabins which pay the fuel bill...

Very unreliable indicator. Booked from UK market inventory, there are at least 4 discounted Upper Class seats available on that VS200.

(And this is one reason why tools like KVS and EF, while often very useful, often fall down for UK customers just when you need them most, ie when you're chasing the last seat or two.)

The other thing to watch for when considering "in the money" is yield. There's a lot of pressure on 27 March and a day or so either side because people are arriving for the Sevens, which starts on Friday 30 March. So even if VS has sold all its Upper Class this far in advance, what yield did it get for those seats? How many have gone to package operators at deeply discounted net rates? Are the airlines that still have premium capacity going to hold out for higher yields later?

I have no idea what the answers are, but these are all the bread and butter of that arcane art called yield management.

bgriff Feb 8, 2007 5:18 pm


Originally Posted by Globaliser (Post 7186515)
Very unreliable indicator. Booked from UK market inventory, there are at least 4 discounted Upper Class seats available on that VS200.

(And this is one reason why tools like KVS and EF, while often very useful, often fall down for UK customers just when you need them most, ie when you're chasing the last seat or two.)

The other thing to watch for when considering "in the money" is yield. There's a lot of pressure on 27 March and a day or so either side because people are arriving for the Sevens, which starts on Friday 30 March. So even if VS has sold all its Upper Class this far in advance, what yield did it get for those seats? How many have gone to package operators at deeply discounted net rates? Are the airlines that still have premium capacity going to hold out for higher yields later?

I have no idea what the answers are, but these are all the bread and butter of that arcane art called yield management.

It's also a bit too far in advance to be judging the performance of various players on that route, particularly in premium classes. Business travelers are not likely to have booked trips for the end of March already, so it would be very unusual indeed if VS's listed numbers were accurate.

KVS Feb 10, 2007 12:04 pm

[Sabre: Fares/ZUJ] Method Issues
 
You may experience difficulties obtaining fares for certain city pairs.

I am already looking into this matter...

sadiqhassan Feb 10, 2007 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 7198272)
I am already working on resolving this issue, and a new version of the Tool is expected to be released shortly.

it's been working fine for me all day, and still is. ^

KVS Feb 10, 2007 1:44 pm


Originally Posted by sadiqhassan (Post 7198664)
it's been working fine for me all day, and still is. ^

Thanks for the info -- it appears that only certain city pairs are affected ...

KVS Feb 11, 2007 8:36 pm

Important note regarding the [Sabre: Fares/ZUJ] & [Sabre: Fares/DotRes] Methods
 
A "No fares found"/"We cannot process your request" error message can result when requesting fares for "All Airlines (YY)". Should that occur, try entering a specific airline preference.

If you are requesting international fares on UA and are receiving the said message, please note that this is a system issue with the Sabre GDS and/or UA.

EileenSRN Feb 12, 2007 4:49 am

Not showing all flights
 
I'm looking for availability on US on the 0725 flt fr Buf to PHL and on to LAX via PHX with various combos. US shows the strings, but KVS isn't pulling it. Any ideas?
Eileen

KVS Feb 12, 2007 1:01 pm


Originally Posted by EileenSRN (Post 7206709)
I'm looking for availability on US on the 0725 flt fr Buf to PHL and on to LAX via PHX with various combos. US shows the strings, but KVS isn't pulling it. Any ideas?
Eileen

What are the dates? I just checked 01 Mar 2007, and it shows that US 725 goes from PIT to LAS ...

EileenSRN Feb 12, 2007 6:54 pm

Thank You!
 
By now I have corrected my mistake. I was referring to the departure time, not flt #. I understand that coach is sold out, but not first. I just wondered why US would pull a routing just because there were some flights with limited seating. They're still offering flt 1997 that leaves BUF at 0645 to CLT on Feb 17th. I'm just trying to learn how to read. US says one thing, Orbitz another and KVS something else again. I understand seeing seats "available" on a seat map means nothing. But I thought Orbitz was supposed to be pretty accurate. Thanks for working with me.
I know, I've got no chance on the President's week vacation exodus from the north, but it's fun to dream.
Eileen

KVS Feb 12, 2007 7:38 pm


Originally Posted by EileenSRN (Post 7211649)
By now I have corrected my mistake. I was referring to the departure time, not flt #. I understand that coach is sold out, but not first. I just wondered why US would pull a routing just because there were some flights with limited seating. They're still offering flt 1997 that leaves BUF at 0645 to CLT on Feb 17th. I'm just trying to learn how to read. US says one thing, Orbitz another and KVS something else again. I understand seeing seats "available" on a seat map means nothing. But I thought Orbitz was supposed to be pretty accurate. Thanks for working with me.
I know, I've got no chance on the President's week vacation exodus from the north, but it's fun to dream.

Pls see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...60#post7211960


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