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no1cub17 Jul 10, 2014 8:36 am

Am getting an error message (Data Source Error - RD2) when searching for CX/KA availability. Am using Awards-BA/oneworld method. Search for AA/JL/BA awards seems be working just fine. Updated to latest version (missed the 7/2 upgrade). What's going on?

KVS Jul 10, 2014 11:18 am


Originally Posted by no1cub17 (Post 23174545)
Am getting an error message (Data Source Error - RD2) when searching for CX/KA availability. Am using Awards-BA/oneworld method. Search for AA/JL/BA awards seems be working just fine. Updated to latest version (missed the 7/2 upgrade). What's going on?

The [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engine is currently experiencing intermittent issues.

In any case, CX/KA Partner Award Availability should be searched via the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method, as noted in the KVS Tool User Guide:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

IncyWincy Jul 10, 2014 7:00 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23175434)
The [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engine is currently experiencing intermittent issues.


http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

When can this be fixed?
Thank you.

KVS Jul 10, 2014 9:20 pm


Originally Posted by IncyWincy (Post 23177756)
When can this be fixed?
Thank you.

The [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method is currently unavailable as BA's systems are still experiencing an outage.

In the meantime, please use the [Awards/OneWorld] Method.

Markie Jul 10, 2014 9:41 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23164968)
These changes have taken place back in March 2014.

I haven't looked since then. Shame!

golfmad Jul 11, 2014 11:38 am

Hi KVS,

I'm seeing some unexpected results using the tool with BA redemption availability. I was looking for a seat for our daughter from MIA-LHR (25th Jul) and then LHR-ABZ (26th Jul) in economy.

According to BA-oneworld and JL-oneworld there's availability on the BA208 but nothing on the BA206 and then nothing from LHR to ABZ. My gold card is set in the KVS settings.

I called BA anyway just to check and they've put her on the BA206 (which shows no availability for me!) and then the BA1306 to Aberdeen.

Is there an explanation as to why they can see availability that I cannot in KVS?

While this is a positive outcome it concerns me that perhaps other searches I do regularly are not accurate.

Thanks

KVS Jul 11, 2014 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23181266)
I'm seeing some unexpected results using the tool with BA redemption availability. I was looking for a seat for our daughter from MIA-LHR (25th Jul) and then LHR-ABZ (26th Jul) in economy.

Were you redeeming from your BAEC account or your daughter's?

Have you actually verified the booking in MMB?

golfmad Jul 11, 2014 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23182347)
Were you redeeming from your BAEC account or your daughter's?

Have you actually verified the booking in MMB?

Hello. It's all from my account. The results I was getting in KVS were from my account and when I called BA they were accessing my account in order to list availability. They told me on the telephone that I had more availability because I was gold but I thought the KVS system factored that into the search too?

KVS Jul 11, 2014 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23182365)
It's all from my account. The results I was getting in KVS were from my account and when I called BA they were accessing my account in order to list availability. They told me on the telephone that I had more availability because I was gold but I thought the KVS system factored that into the search too?

Was the booking made in V or some other non-redemption Booking Class?

golfmad Jul 11, 2014 4:01 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23182410)
Was the booking made in V or some other non-redemption Booking Class?

I just checked online and all sectors (including the ones changed today) are showing a 'selling class' of V.

KVS Jul 11, 2014 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 23182443)
I just checked online and all sectors (including the ones changed today) are showing a 'selling class' of V.

Thanks for confirming.

V Class Availability, which is used for additional availability in Economy for BAEC Gold members, should be checked using the [Availability/FS] Method.

The KVS Tool User Guide has now been updated accordingly:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#BA

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.0/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Code:

MIA  Miami Intl FL US [KMIA]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
FRI  25 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
BA        206    MIA  17:25    LHR  06:50 +1  744      F9 A7 J9 C9 D9 R9 I0 W2 E2 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K7 M7 L5 V4 S3 N2 Q0 O0 G0
BA/AA      1527    MIA  18:30    LHR  08:10 +1  77W      F0 A0 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G0
BA        208    MIA  20:40    LHR  10:15 +1  744      F9 A9 J9 C9 D7 R7 I0 W9 E7 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S6 N1 Q0 O0 G5
BA/AA      1529    MIA  21:20    LHR  11:00 +1  777      F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R0 I0 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q0 O0 G0


golfmad Jul 11, 2014 5:25 pm

Thanks for the explanation. That all makes sense now. I hadn't realised that the extra availability was shown in a separate availability fare bucket (V). Come to think of it, why don't the airlines maintain all their redemption availability across different fare class letters? Have they run out of letters or something?

TC610 Jul 12, 2014 11:02 am

I've been trying like crazy to find a flight EWR-DUS/FRA/MUC-CDG on LH with the new business class configuration.

All along I've been searching using KVS and get these results:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:

EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
DUS  Dusseldorf Metro / Intl DE = DUS NRN QDF [EDDL]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
TUE  16 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH        409    EWR  16:25    DUS  06:05 +1  343  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH    3218    DUS  07:15 +1  CDG  08:20 +1  319  0  FS/  CS-  YS+


And today I search on UA's site and find this:
http://i.imgur.com/x9kqiDS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VyBFlcJ.jpg

Why does UA.com show availability in C for this route, but KVS doesn't?

SuperFlyBoy Jul 12, 2014 11:35 am


Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 23184792)
I've been trying like crazy to find a flight EWR-DUS/FRA/MUC-CDG on LH with the new business class configuration.

All along I've been searching using KVS and get these results:

And today I search on UA's site and find this:

Why does UA.com show availability in C for this route, but KVS doesn't?

LH is offering better availability to UA than they are offering to ANA - this is why.

KVS Jul 12, 2014 1:03 pm


Originally Posted by TC610 (Post 23184792)
I've been trying like crazy to find a flight EWR-DUS/FRA/MUC-CDG on LH with the new business class configuration.

All along I've been searching using KVS and get these results:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:

EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
DUS  Dusseldorf Metro / Intl DE = DUS NRN QDF [EDDL]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
TUE  16 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH        409    EWR  16:25    DUS  06:05 +1  343  0  FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH    3218    DUS  07:15 +1  CDG  08:20 +1  319  0  FS/  CS-  YS+


And today I search on UA's site and find this:

Why does UA.com show availability in C for this route, but KVS doesn't?

You can see the same Availability via the [Awards/M&M] Method, so either LH provides preferential Award Availability to UA or UA.com displays 'Phantom' Availability:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.4.0/Diamond - Awards/M&M]
Code:

EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
TUE  16 Sep 2014 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
SN        502    JFK  17:55    BRU  07:20 +1  333      CS+
 -> SN    3633    BRU  10:25 +1  CDG  11:25 +1  320
LH        409    EWR  16:25    DUS  06:05 +1  343      CS+  YS+
 -> LH    3218    DUS  07:15 +1  CDG  08:20 +1  319
LH        409    EWR  16:25    DUS  06:05 +1  343      CS+  YS+
 -> LH    3220    DUS  11:00 +1  CDG  12:05 +1  319

LH        409    EWR  16:25    DUS  06:05 +1  343      CS+
 -> LH    3222    DUS  15:10 +1  CDG  16:15 +1  320
LH        401    JFK  15:55    FRA  05:30 +1  388      YS+
 -> LH    1026    FRA  07:15 +1  CDG  08:25 +1  319
LH        401    JFK  15:55    FRA  05:30 +1  388      YS+
 -> LH    1028    FRA  08:45 +1  CDG  09:55 +1
LH        401    JFK  15:55    FRA  05:30 +1  388      YS+
 -> LH    1030    FRA  09:30 +1  CDG  10:40 +1
LH        403    EWR  18:10    FRA  07:45 +1  744      YS+
 -> LH    1028    FRA  08:45 +1  CDG  09:55 +1
LH        403    EWR  18:10    FRA  07:45 +1  744      YS+
 -> LH    1030    FRA  09:30 +1  CDG  10:40 +1
LH        403    EWR  18:10    FRA  07:45 +1  744      YS+
 -> LH    1034    FRA  12:05 +1  CDG  13:15 +1  319
LH        405    JFK  21:45    FRA  11:20 +1  74N      YS+
 -> LH    1036    FRA  13:35 +1  CDG  14:45 +1  319
LH        405    JFK  21:45    FRA  11:20 +1  74N      YS+
 -> LH    1040    FRA  16:00 +1  CDG  17:10 +1
LH        405    JFK  21:45    FRA  11:20 +1  74N      YS+
 -> LH    1042    FRA  16:50 +1  CDG  18:00 +1  321
LH        411    JFK  17:25    MUC  07:35 +1  333      YS+
 -> LH    2228    MUC  09:20 +1  CDG  10:55 +1  320
LH        411    JFK  17:25    MUC  07:35 +1  333      YS+
 -> LH    2230    MUC  12:25 +1  CDG  14:00 +1  320
LH        411    JFK  17:25    MUC  07:35 +1  333      YS+
 -> LH/CL  2232    MUC  14:45 +1  CDG  16:20 +1  E95
LH        413    EWR  20:15    MUC  10:15 +1  346      CS+
 -> LH    2230    MUC  12:25 +1  CDG  14:00 +1  320
LH        413    EWR  20:15    MUC  10:15 +1  346      CS+
 -> LH/CL  2232    MUC  14:45 +1  CDG  16:20 +1  E95
LH        413    EWR  20:15    MUC  10:15 +1  346      CS+
 -> LH    2234    MUC  15:45 +1  CDG  17:20 +1  320
LX/WK      17      JFK  18:10    ZRH  08:00 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX    634    ZRH  09:00 +1  CDG  10:15 +1  319
LX/WK      17      JFK  18:10    ZRH  08:00 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX/##  638    ZRH  12:30 +1  CDG  13:50 +1  AR1
LX/WK      17      JFK  18:10    ZRH  08:00 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX    656    ZRH  16:50 +1  CDG  18:05 +1  320
LX        15      JFK  21:00    ZRH  10:50 +1  333      CS+  YS+
 -> LX/##  638    ZRH  12:30 +1  CDG  13:50 +1  AR1
LX        15      JFK  21:00    ZRH  10:50 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX    656    ZRH  16:50 +1  CDG  18:05 +1  320
LX        15      JFK  21:00    ZRH  10:50 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX    644    ZRH  18:50 +1  CDG  20:05 +1  320
LX        19      EWR  21:55    ZRH  11:35 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX/##  638    ZRH  12:30 +1  CDG  13:50 +1  AR1
LX        19      EWR  21:55    ZRH  11:35 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX    656    ZRH  16:50 +1  CDG  18:05 +1  320
LX        19      EWR  21:55    ZRH  11:35 +1  333      CS+
 -> LX    644    ZRH  18:50 +1  CDG  20:05 +1  320



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