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KVS Jul 7, 2014 11:29 am


Originally Posted by hokiebearflyer (Post 23155715)
For an award ticket, that is easy; simply call the airline and guide the agent with information from KVS. If the goal is to purchase a ticket however, KVS gives info on best fares etc., which is great, but how to then purchase those fares? The airline's ticketing agent won't be able to see/find those fares.

The procedure is actually the same for Regular bookings:
Simple itineraries can be booked online.
For complex itineraries, you would need to call the airline and provide the Fare and Flight information to the Res Agent.

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Q19
http://www.KVSTool.com/Planning-A-Trip.php

KVS Jul 7, 2014 2:12 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 23151006)
Any thoughts of offering lifelong membership?

At the moment, this is not something that is being considered.

carenero Jul 7, 2014 8:05 pm

I am new to this program, and i was using it without any problems, and from yesterday when I tried to see availability for a flight it show me an error "The requested Method requires GTC membership Credentials" and I have a Diamonf membership, don't know what I am doing wrong or something is missing?
Any help?

Thanks

hokiebearflyer Jul 7, 2014 8:47 pm


Originally Posted by st1575 (Post 23155840)
KVS obscures the source of its fare information but offers a "Find Flights Using This Fare [ITA]" option if you double/right-click the fare you like. This will direct you to ITA's Matrix site, where you can hopefully find some flights you like with the fare in question. Then take that info and put it into your favorite booking/search engine to find and purchase the flights online.

Got it. Thanks!

Markie Jul 7, 2014 11:02 pm

Did I miss the removal of United Upgrade visibility?

KVS Jul 8, 2014 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by Markie (Post 23160338)
Did I miss the removal of United Upgrade visibility?

These changes have taken place back in March 2014.

KVS Jul 8, 2014 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by carenero (Post 23159664)
I am new to this program, and i was using it without any problems, and from yesterday when I tried to see availability for a flight it show me an error "The requested Method requires GTC membership Credentials" and I have a Diamonf membership, don't know what I am doing wrong or something is missing?
Any help?

Please select the [Availability/FS] Method.

fpc552 Jul 8, 2014 7:15 pm

KVS: CX award availability for AA different from BA?
 
Please don't flame, I did search for an answer.

I used KVS to search BA for an award on CX and found availability for a flight (CX889 JFK-YVR-HKG in F). When I called AA, I was told that there wasn't availability for JFK-HKG, only for JFK-YVR and that their availability was different from what I could see on BA or QF and that they encountered this with customers all they time. The CSR was very nice about it, found me availability on JFK-HKG non-stop redeye a few hours later and took care of everything for me, but I was surprised about the statement that availability for AA would be different than what I could see using QF or BA. I thought this was only a "StarNet blocking" problem with UA.

Is the discrepancy that the flight I found was direct (JFK-YVR-HKG) instead of nonstop?

KVS Jul 8, 2014 7:32 pm


Originally Posted by fpc552 (Post 23165882)
I used KVS to search BA for an award on CX and found availability for a flight (CX889 JFK-YVR-HKG in F).

As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, you need to use the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method when searching for Partner Award Availability on CX flights:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

fpc552 Jul 8, 2014 7:39 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23165954)
As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, you need to use the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method when searching for Partner Award Availability on CX flights:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#CX

Yeah, I just saw that, but it doesn't explain this, since I just tried that and it still shows availability for CX889 on 7/17/14 as FS1 for JFK-HKG, but FS0 for JFK-YVR, which is exactly opposite what the AA CSR told me on the phone 4 hours ago, that there was a seat for JFK-YVR, but not for JFK-HKG on that flight.

KVS Jul 8, 2014 7:51 pm


Originally Posted by fpc552 (Post 23165988)
Yeah, I just saw that, but it doesn't explain this, since I just tried that and it still shows availability for CX889 on 7/17/14 as FS1 for JFK-HKG, but FS0 for JFK-YVR, which is exactly opposite what the AA CSR told me on the phone 4 hours ago, that there was a seat for JFK-YVR, but not for JFK-HKG on that flight.

Was the Agent checking each flight separately? If so, the Award Availability matches what they saw:


Code:

JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
YVR  Vancouver Metro / Intl BC CA = YVR CXH [CYVR]
THU  17 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        889    JFK  21:55    YVR  00:45 +1  77W  0  FS1  CS3  YS4
CX        899    EWR  01:10    HKG  05:00 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS1
 -> CX    838    HKG  16:25 +1  YVR  13:20 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS0
CX        845    JFK  01:30    HKG  05:20 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    838    HKG  16:25 +1  YVR  13:20 +1  77W  0  FS/  CS0  YS0
CX        841    JFK  10:00    HKG  14:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    838    HKG  16:25 +1  YVR  13:20 +1  77W  0  FS/  CS0  YS0
CX        841    JFK  10:00    HKG  14:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    888    HKG  00:30 +2  YVR  21:25 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0
CX        831    JFK  14:50    HKG  18:50 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    888    HKG  00:30 +2  YVR  21:25 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0


Code:

YVR  Vancouver Metro / Intl BC CA = YVR CXH [CYVR]
HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
THU  17 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        889    YVR  02:00    HKG  06:10 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        837    YVR  15:05    HKG  19:15 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS4
CX        888    YVR  22:50    JFK  07:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0
 -> CX    841    JFK  10:00 +1  HKG  14:00 +2  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0
CX        888    YVR  22:50    JFK  07:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS2
 -> CX    831    JFK  14:50 +1  HKG  18:50 +2  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS2

Since the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method shows F Award Availability for the Direct flight, it should be bookable by an AADV Agent, but may require a Long-Sell:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AgentSaysNo


Code:

JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
THU  17 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        899    EWR  01:10    HKG  05:00 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS1
CX        845    JFK  01:30    HKG  05:20 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        841    JFK  10:00    HKG  14:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        831    JFK  14:50    HKG  18:50 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        889    JFK  21:55    HKG  06:10 +2  77W  1  FS1  CS0  YS4
CX        889    JFK  21:55    YVR  00:45 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    837    YVR  15:05 +1  HKG  19:15 +2  77W  0  FS/  CS0  YS4


fpc552 Jul 8, 2014 8:16 pm

I don't know, but that explanation makes sense. In general, AA shouldn't have different OW partner award availability than BA or QF or JL or anyone else, right? They don't block availability on partners?

One other question. On the third screen, (the JFK-HKG search), it shows CX889 as FS0 as part of a CX889->CX837 connection (which is what I was talking about in post #3, that there was no availability on JFK-YVR), but in your first screen (the JFK-YVR search), it shows FS1. Is that because the connecting flight (CX837) doesn't have F?

Sorry to everyone else on forum about the in-depth KVS questions.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 23166042)
Was the Agent checking each flight separately? If so, the Award Availability matches what they saw:


Code:

JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
YVR  Vancouver Metro / Intl BC CA = YVR CXH [CYVR]
THU  17 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        889    JFK  21:55    YVR  00:45 +1  77W  0  FS1  CS3  YS4
CX        899    EWR  01:10    HKG  05:00 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS1
 -> CX    838    HKG  16:25 +1  YVR  13:20 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS0
CX        845    JFK  01:30    HKG  05:20 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    838    HKG  16:25 +1  YVR  13:20 +1  77W  0  FS/  CS0  YS0
CX        841    JFK  10:00    HKG  14:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    838    HKG  16:25 +1  YVR  13:20 +1  77W  0  FS/  CS0  YS0
CX        841    JFK  10:00    HKG  14:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    888    HKG  00:30 +2  YVR  21:25 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0
CX        831    JFK  14:50    HKG  18:50 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    888    HKG  00:30 +2  YVR  21:25 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0


Code:

YVR  Vancouver Metro / Intl BC CA = YVR CXH [CYVR]
HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
THU  17 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        889    YVR  02:00    HKG  06:10 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        837    YVR  15:05    HKG  19:15 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS4
CX        888    YVR  22:50    JFK  07:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0
 -> CX    841    JFK  10:00 +1  HKG  14:00 +2  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS0
CX        888    YVR  22:50    JFK  07:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS2
 -> CX    831    JFK  14:50 +1  HKG  18:50 +2  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS2

Since the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method shows F Award Availability for the Direct flight, it should be bookable by an AADV Agent, but may require a Long-Sell:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AgentSaysNo


Code:

JFK  New York John F Kennedy Intl NY US [KJFK]
HKG  Hong Kong Chek Lap Kok Intl HK [VHHH]
THU  17 Jul 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
CX        899    EWR  01:10    HKG  05:00 +1  77W  0  CS0  YS1
CX        845    JFK  01:30    HKG  05:20 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        841    JFK  10:00    HKG  14:00 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        831    JFK  14:50    HKG  18:50 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
CX        889    JFK  21:55    HKG  06:10 +2  77W  1  FS1  CS0  YS4
CX        889    JFK  21:55    YVR  00:45 +1  77W  0  FS0  CS0  YS4
 -> CX    837    YVR  15:05 +1  HKG  19:15 +2  77W  0  FS/  CS0  YS4



JDiver Jul 8, 2014 9:32 pm

As this is more pertinent to KVS travel tool, we'll move this query to Travel Tools.

/Moderator

fpc552 Jul 8, 2014 10:39 pm

Thanks, mod. This thread took on a life of its own.

KVS Jul 9, 2014 11:56 am


Originally Posted by fpc552 (Post 23166155)
I don't know, but that explanation makes sense. In general, AA shouldn't have different OW partner award availability than BA or QF or JL or anyone else, right? They don't block availability on partners?

That is correct.


Originally Posted by fpc552 (Post 23166155)
One other question. On the third screen, (the JFK-HKG search), it shows CX889 as FS0 as part of a CX889->CX837 connection (which is what I was talking about in post #3, that there was no availability on JFK-YVR), but in your first screen (the JFK-YVR search), it shows FS1. Is that because the connecting flight (CX837) doesn't have F?

Please see Segment Marriage Logic at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors


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