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pinkdog Apr 11, 2014 1:22 pm

Thank you for the fast reply.

So is there a way for me to still do my searching but without using AC-StarAlliance and stick with ANA. But still have it search for all the connections?

Searching with Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1 for YUL-ZRH only comes up with 3 flights. Not all the possible ones like AC-StarAlliance.

I guess in simple terms, i want to go from YUL to ZRH, i don't care that there's connections in the middle. As long as its all Business, im fine. Show me all my options on star alliance to get to ZRH no matter how many connections. If that's possible.

Thank you



Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22689495)
It's phantom -- there is no actual C Award Availability on those flights:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]
Code:

YUL  Montreal Pierre Elliott Trudeau/Dorval QC CA [CYUL]
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
ZRH  Zurich CH [LSZH]
WED  01 Oct 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH        479    YUL  17:15    FRA  06:30 +1  343  0  FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH    1184    FRA  08:00 +1  ZRH  08:55 +1  E90  0  FS/  CS-  YS+
LH        479    YUL  17:15    FRA  06:30 +1  343  0  FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH    1186    FRA  09:45 +1  ZRH  10:40 +1  735  0  FS/  CS-  YS+

AC        874    YUL  18:55    FRA  08:20 +1  333  0  FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH    1186    FRA  09:45 +1  ZRH  10:40 +1  735  0  FS/  CS+  YS+



KVS Apr 12, 2014 8:51 am


Originally Posted by pinkdog (Post 22689587)
Thank you for the fast reply.

So is there a way for me to still do my searching but without using AC-StarAlliance and stick with ANA. But still have it search for all the connections?

As mentioned previously, you would either need to specify the desired connections yourself when using [Awards/StarAlliance] or use the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Method to build them for you.

WineCountryUA Apr 16, 2014 8:55 pm

Noticing that at times inventory classes are max'ing out at 4 instead of 9 for UA.

Using the Availability tab, FS method.

Example UA 1636 (SFO-ORD), July 11 F4Y4
but UA reports F9Y9 via expert mode.

As you go forward into Aug, Sept, .... this becomes more common and until nearly all flights inventory classes are capped at 4 instead of the normal 9.

I have traditionally used the Award/Upgrade search (but no more for UA), so is this normal or what???

KVS Apr 16, 2014 9:55 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 22717050)
Noticing that at times inventory classes are max'ing out at 4 instead of 9 for UA.

Using the Availability tab, FS method.

Example UA 1636 (SFO-ORD), July 11 F4Y4
but UA reports F9Y9 via expert mode.

As you go forward into Aug, Sept, .... this becomes more common and until nearly all flights inventory classes are capped at 4 instead of the normal 9.

This is normal -- as noted at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting:
"Depending on the airline, cabin and the GDS system used, the maximum number can be one of the following: 9, 7 or 4."
You can also use the [Availability/ETR] Method, which is currently showing F9 Y9 for that flight.

WineCountryUA Apr 17, 2014 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22717286)
This is normal -- as noted at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Interpreting:
"Depending on the airline, cabin and the GDS system used, the maximum number can be one of the following: 9, 7 or 4."
...

Understand LH only release up to 4 and UA releases up to 9, and .....
But why would some flights on the same airline, day and cities show 4 max and some show 9.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22717286)
.... You can also use the [Availability/ETR] Method, which is currently showing F9 Y9 for that flight.

Very awkward method, no easy way to see the entire (paid) fare class set.

SpaceCoastBill Apr 17, 2014 8:40 pm

OK, so Ive been trying multiple options and calling US Air to confirm.....

Its definitely not as easy looking for upgrade availability with one world. With star alliance I could see FS+ or FS- and know if there was availability.... and now many.

With one world I can see FS9, but still not have any availability for an upgrade.....


What do you use to look into the system and see if there is or is not open upgrades?

LondonElite Apr 19, 2014 2:26 pm

I'm having some issues with US Airways availability...

1. I'm trying to change a BA Avios booking that included a domestic AA flight to a domestic US flight. Using KVS I see FS8, for example, in the award section of the tool' though BA tells me there is no availability on that flight.

2. When digging a little deeper, I see that some US flights that show availability in the awards section, don't even appear as flights in the regular availability section (the first tab).

Are these issues related to a POS problem, a misalignment of award fare categories, or something else?

KVS Apr 19, 2014 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 22721186)
Understand LH only release up to 4 and UA releases up to 9, and .....
But why would some flights on the same airline, day and cities show 4 max and some show 9.

The maximum number of seats displayed depends on the technical and commercial arrangements that the airline has with each specific reservation system.

KVS Apr 19, 2014 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by billinaz (Post 22722471)
OK, so Ive been trying multiple options and calling US Air to confirm.....

Its definitely not as easy looking for upgrade availability with one world. With star alliance I could see FS+ or FS- and know if there was availability.... and now many.

With one world I can see FS9, but still not have any availability for an upgrade.....

What do you use to look into the system and see if there is or is not open upgrades?

Upgrade Booking Classes are not as uniform across OneWorld as they are in *A:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_OneWorld

What is the airline/flight in question?

KVS Apr 19, 2014 2:45 pm


Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 22729643)
1. I'm trying to change a BA Avios booking that included a domestic AA flight to a domestic US flight. Using KVS I see FS8, for example, in the award section of the tool' though BA tells me there is no availability on that flight.

2. When digging a little deeper, I see that some US flights that show availability in the awards section, don't even appear as flights in the regular availability section (the first tab).

What is the flight #/date/class in question?

LondonElite Apr 19, 2014 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22729681)
What is the flight #/date/class in question?

For example:

On 22Apr
US1803 RSW-CLT shows FS5 and the connecting flight
US1788 CLT-ORD also shows FS5

BA says no F award availability. Is this a case of one flight having availability and the other not?

And when I click on the Availability tab, these flights don't even show as being available for revenue.

KVS Apr 19, 2014 3:48 pm


Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 22729841)
On 22Apr
US1803 RSW-CLT shows FS5 and the connecting flight
US1788 CLT-ORD also shows FS5

BA says no F award availability. Is this a case of one flight having availability and the other not?

US 1788 only has 3 F Award Seats available -- please download the latest KVS Tool Version (or search segment-by-segment):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:

CLT  Charlotte Douglas NC US [KCLT]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
TUE  22 Apr 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive        St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
US        1987    CLT  07:30    ORD  08:27              FS0  YS1
AA/MQ      3065    CLT  08:00    ORD  09:20              FS/  YS5
US        1946    CLT  09:50    ORD  10:58              FS0  YS4
US        1862    CLT  11:50    ORD  12:57              FS0  YS2
US        1892    CLT  14:30    ORD  15:29              FS0  YS5
US        2095    CLT  16:10    ORD  17:07              FS2  YS1
US        1851    CLT  20:09    ORD  21:08              FS1  YS9
US        1788    CLT  22:35    ORD  23:33              FS3  YS9


Originally Posted by LondonElite (Post 22729841)
And when I click on the Availability tab, these flights don't even show as being available for revenue.

You just need to specify a connecting point (or search segment-by-segment):

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.6/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Code:

RSW  Fort Myers Southwest Florida Intl FL US [KRSW]
CLT  Charlotte Douglas NC US [KCLT]
ORD  Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
TUE  22 Apr 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  --------------------------------------------------------
US        2065    RSW  08:20    CLT  10:16    321      F1 A1 P1 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U0 E0 R0
 -> US    1862    CLT  11:50    ORD  12:57    321      F1 A1 P1 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U0 E0 R0
US        2065    RSW  08:20    CLT  10:16    321      F1 A1 P1 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E0 R0
 -> US/##  2577    CLT  12:55    ORD  13:55    ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US        1842    RSW  10:25    CLT  12:22    734      F2 A2 P2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R0
 -> US    1892    CLT  14:30    ORD  15:29    321      F2 A2 P2 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R0
US        2069    RSW  12:05    CLT  13:56    321      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G8 K7 U1 E0 R0
 -> US    1892    CLT  14:30    ORD  15:29    321      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G8 K7 U1 E0 R0
US        2069    RSW  12:05    CLT  13:56    321      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U5 E3 R0
 -> US    2095    CLT  16:10    ORD  17:07    320      F0 A0 P0 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U5 E3 R0
US        2069    RSW  12:05    CLT  13:56    321      F0 A0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W0 L0 S0 T0 G0 K0 U0 E0 R0
 -> US    1908    CLT  17:59    ORD  18:58    321      F0 A0 Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R0
US        1908    RSW  14:55    CLT  16:50    321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E7 R0
 -> US/##  2513    CLT  18:40    ORD  19:40    ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US        1908    RSW  14:55    CLT  16:50    321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E7 R0
 -> US/##  2597    CLT  20:05    ORD  21:05    ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US        1908    RSW  14:55    CLT  16:50    321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K8 U6 E5 R0
 -> US    1851    CLT  20:09    ORD  21:08    321      F5 A5 P5 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K8 U6 E5 R0
US        2088    RSW  17:18    CLT  19:10    320      F3 A3 P3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R9
 -> US/##  2597    CLT  20:05    ORD  21:05    ER4      Y4 B4 M4 H4 Q4 N4 V4 W4 L4 S4 T4 G4 K4 U4 E4 R4
US        2088    RSW  17:18    CLT  19:10    320      F3 A3 P3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R6
 -> US    1851    CLT  20:09    ORD  21:08    321      F3 A3 P3 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T9 G9 K9 U9 E9 R6
US        1803    RSW  19:10    CLT  21:01    321      F8 A8 P8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S8 T7 G7 K6 U4 E3 R0
 -> US    1788    CLT  22:35    ORD  23:33    321      F8 A8 P8 Y9 B9 M9 H9 Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S8 T7 G7 K6 U4 E3 R0


LondonElite Apr 19, 2014 4:01 pm

Got it...part 2 I should have figured out for myself, part 1 I should have done as well as a check. Thanks

themadsupra Apr 24, 2014 5:48 pm

Man I am really striking out here..Ive used up my points on Award Nexus, searched Jal Mileage bank, Qatas ect...I even have a paid Sub to KVS tool..and while I am a rookie at using it, I think I am using it correctly because it shows the same stuff as I am able to pull up on the other pages..but its all in one tool which is nice.

Can anyone see ANY F tickets on the 5th-6th leaving from Any airport in the USA? I just cant imagine there being ZERO flights..which is why I was thinking I am doing something wrong with KVS when searching.


Im trying to get 2 F tickets ( though would settle for Biz) Leaving late on May 5. Can leave anytime on the 6th as well and from any airport going to Asia. ( HKG or BKK)

Cant find any CX F, BA F, or AA F for 2x people. It seems to be lots early may from SFO-HKG. Even tried USA-EU-ASIA and couldnt find ANYTHING

Ideally I would like SFO-HKG. I am open to traveling "out of my way" to make it work.

AM I just simply using the KVS tool wrong?

dkerr Apr 24, 2014 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by themadsupra (Post 22756641)
Man I am really striking out here..Ive used up my points on Award Nexus, searched Jal Mileage bank, Qatas ect...I even have a paid Sub to KVS tool..and while I am a rookie at using it, I think I am using it correctly because it shows the same stuff as I am able to pull up on the other pages..but its all in one tool which is nice.

Can anyone see ANY F tickets on the 5th-6th leaving from Any airport in the USA? I just cant imagine there being ZERO flights..which is why I was thinking I am doing something wrong with KVS when searching.


Im trying to get 2 F tickets ( though would settle for Biz) Leaving late on May 5. Can leave anytime on the 6th as well and from any airport going to Asia. ( HKG or BKK)

Cant find any CX F, BA F, or AA F for 2x people. It seems to be lots early may from SFO-HKG. Even tried USA-EU-ASIA and couldnt find ANYTHING

Ideally I would like SFO-HKG. I am open to traveling "out of my way" to make it work.

AM I just simply using the KVS tool wrong?


CX generally open up awards closer to flight time. Right up to 24-48 hours before flights, so if you can hold out you may be okay. E.g. checking CX own website now for availability SFO-HKG using Asia miles there are two F seats available tomorrow (Friday) and also every day Sunday thru Friday next week. If you are trying to use other OneWorld airline miles (e.g. AA) then you might not see availability until 24-48 hours before... E.g. Award Nexus shows (via BA and QF) two seats in F available for tomorrow (Friday CX 873 departs in 7 hours!!) but none for Sunday -- wait til Saturday and CX 879 may well show availability as it is F4 for revenue seats (CX 873 is F0 on Sunday, so it won't open up)

DAK


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