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dulcamara Mar 27, 2014 4:33 pm

OK KVS. Are you planning to offer refunds to the UA flyers who paid you expecting useful service?

Starman Mar 27, 2014 5:22 pm


Originally Posted by dulcamara (Post 22600715)
OK KVS. Are you planning to offer refunds to the UA flyers who paid you expecting useful service?

I believe your quarrel is with United Airlines. KVS sold you a product that they clearly labeled as a specialty web browser, used to access data provided by others. Surely we all knew that the database with upgrade and award availability belongs to UA, not KVS. It appears United has taken steps to block access to parts of its data base when this browser is used. Do you blame Microsoft or Mozilla when Internet Explorer or Firefox cannot successfully connect to a web page that the owner has removed, even though your software works as designed?

mh3265a Mar 27, 2014 5:59 pm

It would be really NICE to get official word from KVS. Their webpage is updated so it's look like getting UA data is done for now, but why and what can we do?

SuperFlyBoy Mar 27, 2014 9:22 pm


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 22599500)
I forgot how incredibly tedious searching on the UA site is.

Is it even possible for one to check for R-class availability on CO.bomb? :confused:

eng3 Mar 28, 2014 7:49 am


Originally Posted by Lurker1999 (Post 22599641)
As posted on their home page:

[Awards-Upgrades/UA] Method 27 Mar 2014
Please note that this Method is no longer available.

That was really the only reason I purchased KVS subscription. Makes that last month of the subscription a little worthless.

I have 4.5mo on my subscription left which are now rendered worthless.


Originally Posted by Starman (Post 22600974)
I believe your quarrel is with United Airlines. KVS sold you a product that they clearly labeled as a specialty web browser, used to access data provided by others. Surely we all knew that the database with upgrade and award availability belongs to UA, not KVS. It appears United has taken steps to block access to parts of its data base when this browser is used. Do you blame Microsoft or Mozilla when Internet Explorer or Firefox cannot successfully connect to a web page that the owner has removed, even though your software works as designed?

If I recall, when you sent an HTTP request, you can manually specify any browser type. I had thought that KVS looks like IE. And you are using the browser from your own computer accessing the same pages that we manually do. So I don't think UA can specifically block KVS technically. Maybe by sending a threatening letter to them telling them to remove the feature.

dsauch Mar 28, 2014 8:58 am


Originally Posted by eng3 (Post 22603958)
So I don't think UA can specifically block KVS technically. Maybe by sending a threatening letter to them telling them to remove the feature.

I agree, it takes UA ages to make IT changes, they probably just used their retainer lawyers...
I had to reinstall KVS and UA method is gone.

I still have use for it, single pane access to AC/ETR/DL still makes my life easier. But loss of UA is a big one...

UA-NYC Mar 28, 2014 10:12 am


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 22602075)
Is it even possible for one to check for R-class availability on CO.bomb? :confused:

Yep - search "expert mode" to learn more. You can get it to display - but it's a pain, have to do repeated mock bookings, click on the fare class link, and have to do day by day.

Having EF (for alerts) and KVS (for fast searches) was great. Now with neither, it sucks.

UA's War on Elites & Information continues.

sbm12 Mar 28, 2014 11:52 am


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 22602075)
Is it even possible for one to check for R-class availability on CO.bomb? :confused:

Of course it is. There are multiple ways to do it.

This is the "normal" way to go through the upgrade search process. It works but isn't great.

Or you can enable "expert mode" and add on a GreaseMonkey/TamperMonkey script which shows all the buckets all the time.


Originally Posted by UA-NYC (Post 22604866)
click on the fare class link

Are you still clicking the link every time? Super easy to get around that now with the scripts above.

Also, for those who are wondering what the C&D letters from UA look like I'm betting that the one KVS received is mighty similar to the one they sent me.

altitude75k Mar 28, 2014 12:05 pm

Trying to use OW -- error code 12045
Even opened another QF account and password but still OW flight awards comes up with error 12045.
Any ideas?

KVS Mar 28, 2014 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by mh3265a (Post 22601163)
what can we do?

Other than considering choosing an airline that does not treat its customers with contempt? ;)

KVS Mar 28, 2014 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by altitude75k (Post 22605571)
Trying to use OW -- error code 12045
Even opened another QF account and password but still OW flight awards comes up with error 12045.
Any ideas?

Are you using a Mac or Linux system?
Please see http://Errors.KVSTool.com/

altitude75k Mar 28, 2014 4:11 pm

Mac. Using VMWare with XP on my Mac.


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 22605870)
Are you using a Mac or Linux system?
Please see http://Errors.KVSTool.com/


cornellfOo Mar 28, 2014 5:15 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 22605512)
Also, for those who are wondering what the C&D letters from UA look like I'm betting that the one KVS received is mighty similar to the one they sent me.

Smisek thinking he can make is $2bl in cuts by saving a few pennies on bandwidth. Good luck with that one :rolleyes:

altitude75k Mar 29, 2014 12:16 am

KVS support once again gave quick and excellent service.
In my case he directed me to this link and it fixed the problem and I can now check OW award availability. Thank you!




Originally Posted by altitude75k (Post 22606958)
Mac. Using VMWare with XP on my Mac.


Lurker1999 Mar 29, 2014 10:15 am

KVS informed me that the Star Alliance award search tool was an adequate replacement for the discontinued UA search tool. No mention of what to do with the UA upgrade part of it. They were not interested in providing a partial refund.


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