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SafeAndSound Feb 8, 2014 6:01 pm

I am seeing different availability reported in the Mac app than via Mobile:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.4/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
Code:

SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
SUN  09 Feb 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
BA        284    SFO  16:20    LHR  10:35    744      F1 A1 J6 C3 D0 R0 I0 W8 E2 T1 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G9

The equivalent flight on mobile.kvstool.com shows as:

"F1 A1 J5 C4 D3 R2 I2 W3 E1 T1 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G9"

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/640...0/268/9hfu.png

Do both tools query the same source?

Thanks!

hwmorth Feb 9, 2014 4:47 am

Availability / Fare cannot change POS
 
Hi, I hope someone can help me on this:

I am searching with Fares and Availability using Availability/FS and Fares /PSH (Fares/FC is not in the list) and I cannot change the POS. It is set to US for availability and RU for fares with a greyed out box, I cannot change that.

Especially on the fare search thatīs a limitation as I suspect the POS RU has quite a few restriction that donīt apply to the one I need to look at (CH or IT).

Thanks for an hints on how to get this to work!

KVS Feb 9, 2014 12:08 pm


Originally Posted by hwmorth (Post 22314770)
Hi, I hope someone can help me on this:

I am searching with Fares and Availability using Availability/FS and Fares /PSH (Fares/FC is not in the list) and I cannot change the POS. It is set to US for availability and RU for fares with a greyed out box, I cannot change that.

POS Country-restricted Fares are quite rare, so that setting would make no practical difference.

KVS Feb 9, 2014 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by SafeAndSound (Post 22312974)
I am seeing different availability reported in the Mac app than via Mobile:

The equivalent flight on mobile.kvstool.com shows as:

Do both tools query the same source?

The main KVS Tool application and the Mobile Companion have different Availability POSs, so such small variations are quite normal:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Factors

RedArrowX Feb 9, 2014 3:36 pm

Apologies if this has probably been covered before. Just purchased the KVS tool the other day to make it easier to check for BA Club World Redemption seats on two flights I'm booked WT+ currently in so I can try and upgrade.

Am I correct in saying when (if any) seats become available they will show up when I search for seating availability as booking class U? Currently when searching for each flight that booking class doesn't show up at all, not even as U0. Is this normal?


Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -----------------------------------------------------------------
BA 284 SFO 16:40 LHR 11:00 744 F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I0 W9 E9 T4 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9
BA told me, and I've confirmed with the KVS tool that on each flight only a couple of CW seats have been booked so there is a good chance some redemption seats will appear and I don't want to miss them.

Does the KVS tool have some sort of alert system to let me know if any seats appear?

golfmad Feb 9, 2014 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by RedArrowX (Post 22317464)
Apologies if this has probably been covered before. Just purchased the KVS tool the other day to make it easier to check for BA Club World Redemption seats on two flights I'm booked WT+ currently in so I can try and upgrade.

Am I correct in saying when (if any) seats become available they will show up when I search for seating availability as booking class U? Currently when searching for each flight that booking class doesn't show up at all, not even as U0. Is this normal?



BA told me, and I've confirmed with the KVS tool that on each flight only a couple of CW seats have been booked so there is a good chance some redemption seats will appear and I don't want to miss them.

Does the KVS tool have some sort of alert system to let me know if any seats appear?

You need to use the Awards/Upgrades tab not the availability tab to search for available redemption seats. I find it best to use the Awards/JL-OneWorld in the Method drop down and then set BA British Airways in the Airline drop down.

Then put in your flights and see what comes up. For CW availability you are looking for the CS result where the number after CS tells you how many seats are presently available.

RedArrowX Feb 9, 2014 3:46 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 22317486)
You need to use the Awards/Upgrades tab not the availability tab to search for available redemption seats. I find it best to use the Awards/JL-OneWorld in the Method drop down and then set BA British Airways in the Airline drop down.

Then put in your flights and see what comes up. For CW availability you are looking for the CS result where the number after CS tells you how many seats are presently available.

Thanks. I did try that but was a little concerned when it said "No Award Availability/Route Too Complex". I understand the first part, but the second part seems to suggest that there could be seats, but I've put in a complex route to show them.

Saying that it was a simple flight I put in, SFO>LHR so I guess the second part doesn't apply here. But still leaves a little doubt in my mind that I've made a mistake when doing the search and could miss the chance.

RedArrowX Feb 9, 2014 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 22317486)
You need to use the Awards/Upgrades tab not the availability tab to search for available redemption seats. I find it best to use the Awards/JL-OneWorld in the Method drop down and then set BA British Airways in the Airline drop down.

Just tried that but seems I need a JL membership. Am I fine to just use the BA-OneWorld method instead?

golfmad Feb 9, 2014 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by RedArrowX (Post 22317534)
Just tried that but seems I need a JL membership. Am I fine to just use the BA-OneWorld method instead?

I prefer the JL method because it shows you all the seats available or 0 if there are none available. This avoids the 'no seats/route too complex' message. Suggest you sign up for a free JL account. Costs nothing and lets you use the JL method.

RedArrowX Feb 9, 2014 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 22317553)
I prefer the JL method because it shows you all the seats available or 0 if there are none available. This avoids the 'no seats/route too complex' message. Suggest you sign up for a free JL account. Costs nothing and lets you use the JL method.

Thank you, I will use that method.

st1575 Feb 9, 2014 5:24 pm


Originally Posted by RedArrowX (Post 22317534)
Just tried that but seems I need a JL membership. Am I fine to just use the BA-OneWorld method instead?

If you are redeeming Avios, you may want to stick to the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] engine since it tracks seats available for Avios redemption. Well, at least in theory.


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 22317553)
I prefer the JL method because it shows you all the seats available or 0 if there are none available. This avoids the 'no seats/route too complex' message. Suggest you sign up for a free JL account. Costs nothing and lets you use the JL method.

As others have stated, the [Awards/JL-OneWorld] tends to be very accurate, especially for those of us trying to redeem AA miles for CX flights.

But one thing to keep in mind: Make sure you search segment-by-segment to avoid misapplied "married segments" logic and the like. The KVS User Guide/FAQ warns of this problem in general and gives a specific reminder for the [Awards/OneWorld] (aka Qantas) engine. It is longstanding, sage advice.

I haven't seen this problem on the JL engine before, but apparently it exists because I ran into it while researching a SGN-HKG-JFK trip for 2 on CX. A simple SGN-NYC search showed a single J seat, while SGN-HKG showed 4 and HKG-JFK showed 2. When I called to book today, the AA agent had the same problem until I asked nicely if she could check the SGN-HKG segment on its own. Seats were found, the trip was booked, and everyone learned something new.

golfmad Feb 9, 2014 5:32 pm


Originally Posted by st1575 (Post 22317999)
If you are redeeming Avios, you may want to stick to the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] engine since it tracks seats available for Avios redemption. Well, at least in theory.

st1575 I didn't think there was a different in availability between the BA-Oneworld and JL-Oneworld methods for Avios redemptions. Can you expand on this please?

st1575 Feb 9, 2014 6:22 pm


Originally Posted by golfmad (Post 22318031)
st1575 I didn't think there was a different in availability between the BA-Oneworld and JL-Oneworld methods for Avios redemptions. Can you expand on this please?

They might be the same for BA flights, but not always for other carriers.

Taking the example of my CX redemption for early January 2015, the BA engine wasn't showing the same HKG-EWR (the new flight) J availability as the JL engine at one point, along the lines of 2 vs. 3. I re-verified using the CX engine, which seemed to confirmed JL's number. The HKG-JFK numbers were the same.

golfmad Feb 9, 2014 6:31 pm


Originally Posted by st1575 (Post 22318247)
They might be the same for BA flights, but not always for other carriers.

Taking the example of my CX redemption for early January 2015, the BA engine wasn't showing the same HKG-EWR (the new flight) J availability as the JL engine at one point, along the lines of 2 vs. 3. I re-verified using the CX engine, which seemed to confirmed JL's number. The HKG-JFK numbers were the same.

Thanks. Understood. I tend to mainly use it for BA flights so I've probably not come across.

buylowsellhigh Feb 9, 2014 8:41 pm

Has anyone use KVS or have a know the specific fare code that Amex Platinum uses for their free companion program for first/business class?


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