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Hi KVS,

On the below routing rules:

What does PTC stand for?

FT? (other than FlyerTalk! )

GI?

Is there a glossary you can create for the abbreviations??

Thanks!
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"CMBNYC-AI 18NOV07 *RULE DISPLAY* TARIFF 0001 RULE 2125
* ADD APPLICABLE TAX * FED INSP FEES *

FARE BASIS LKR NUC PTC FT GI
J 93300 823.86 ADT NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 CNN NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 INS NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT
J/IN90 9400 82.38 INF NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT

BOOKING CODES J
FIRST TRAVEL - 1APR07
SEASONS - NO RESTRICTION
PENALTIES - NONE
DAY/TIME - NO RESTRICTION
ADV RES/TKT - NO RESTRICTION
MIN STAY - NO RESTRICTION
MAX STAY - NO RESTRICTION
BLACKOUTS - NO RESTRICTION
SURCHARGES - NONE
STOPOVERS - PERMITTED-UNLIMITED
TRANSFERS - NO RESTRICTION
FLT APPLIC - MUST NOT BE VIA AI FLT 140-141 FLT
8000-8999AA FLT 5600-8399CO FLT 4900-
9999NW FLT 2000-2600 FLT 3800-5599 FLT
5980-9999TZ FLT 4000-9999UA FLT 1700-
5199 FLT 8100-9999 IF TO/FROM INDIA
FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE TEXT RULE
CHILD DISC - CNN 2-11 YRS 25 PCT ACCOMPANIED
INS UNDER 2 YRS 25 PCT WITH SEAT
INF UNDER 2 YRS 90 PCT NO SEAT
OTHER DISC - DISCOUNTS ARE PERMITTED.
COMBINABLTY - SEE TEXT RULE
ELIGIBILITY - NO RESTRICTION
ACCOM PSGR - NO RESTRICTION
TRVL RESTR - NO RESTRICTION
SALES RESTR - FURTHER RESTR APPLY SEE RULE TEXT
EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY PERMITTED UNDER
GUIDELINES SET FORTH BY CARRIER. CONTACT
CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
NEGOTIATED - NO RESTRICTION
TKT ENDORSE - NO RESTRICTION
APPLICATION - SEE TEXT RULE
TOUR DISC - SEE TEXT RULE
AGENT DISC - SEE TEXT RULE
MPM - AT 10816 VIA NORTH ATLANTIC
INDUSTRY FARE TYPE - BU - BUSINESS CLASS UNRESTRICTED
PFCS MAY VARY BY RTG
ROUTING MPM MPM TRVL PERMITTED"

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Quote:

FARE BASIS LKR NUC PTC FT GI
J 93300 823.86 ADT NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 CNN NL AT
J/CH25 70000 617.89 INS NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT
J/IN90 9400 82.38 INF NL AT
J 93300 823.86 UNN NL AT

PTC are the Passenger Type Codes:

ADT=Adult
CNN=Accompanied Child
INS=Infant with a Seat

etc. See http://www.galileo.com/emea/uk/formats/EN_GF_M.htm for a full list.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 8748906)

I'm thinking of switching to the XP-based Tablet Edition - Would KVS work?

Sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 8748910)

Hi KVS,

On the below routing rules:

What does PTC stand for?

FT? (other than FlyerTalk! )

GI?

Is there a glossary you can create for the abbreviations??

Thanks!

Definitions for the above terms have now been added to the KVS Tool FAQ, Part 3: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...45#post2804945

Does version 3.0.0 have functionality to find the ticketed-point mileage deductions for MPM fares?

Quote:

Originally Posted by donjoff (Post 8765676)

Does version 3.0.0 have functionality to find the ticketed-point mileage deductions for MPM fares?

I was not able to determine that yet. If there is a specific fare, for which you know that a TPM deduction exists, pls let me know and I will try to look into it further.

Question
I was checking upgrade awards on UA.
KVS showed me this
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.1/Platinum - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]

Code:

ORD  Chicago O'Hare Int'l IL US [KORD]

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

MON  07 Jan 2008 / 1 Seat



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ------------- 

UA        958    ORD  16:18     LHR  05:55 +1  777       FS-  CS-  YS-

UA        928    ORD  18:05     LHR  07:55 +1  777       FS+  CS-  YS-

UA        938    ORD  21:14     LHR  11:00 +1  777       FS-  CS+  YS-

UA        922    ORD  06:00     LHR  22:00     CHG       FS+  CS-  YS-

while seatcounter told me
UA958 is I9/X1
UA 938 is I9/X0
UA928 is I8/X4

.bomb told me
UA958 is NC9/NF1
UA 938 is NC9/NF0
UA928 is NC8/NF4

so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason8612 (Post 8775407)

so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...

There have been numerous reports of both of those sources providing inaccurate data -- see, for example, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751436

also is there a way to look up a specific fare basis? like the MA one?

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason8612 (Post 8775407)

Question
I was checking upgrade awards on UA.
KVS showed me this
[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.1/Platinum - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA]

Code:

ORD  Chicago O'Hare Int'l IL US [KORD]

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

MON  07 Jan 2008 / 1 Seat



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C       Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ------------- 

UA        958    ORD  16:18     LHR  05:55 +1  777       FS-  CS-  YS-

UA        928    ORD  18:05     LHR  07:55 +1  777       FS+  CS-  YS-

UA        938    ORD  21:14     LHR  11:00 +1  777       FS-  CS+  YS-

UA        922    ORD  06:00     LHR  22:00     CHG       FS+  CS-  YS-

while seatcounter told me
UA958 is I9/X1
UA 938 is I9/X0
UA928 is I8/X4

.bomb told me
UA958 is NC9/NF1
UA 938 is NC9/NF0
UA928 is NC8/NF4

so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...

You have to take into account what UA themselves is providing to their own members (showing in .bomb, possibly also SeatCounter, if they have access to UA's database), in stark contrast to the Star Alliance *award* availability, which United offers to *outside* partners, such as NH in this specific case, which is where KVS is linked to, in order to check for award availability.

This is exactly why certain airlines show availability in KVS (ANA Star Alliance award availability), but UA cannot get access to those seats, if the airlines are not providing United with those award seats.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 8775984)

Actually, no. It's UA, which is filtering-out StarNet availability for other carriers (to encourage their members to redeem on UA flights instead).

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason8612 (Post 8775407)

....so seatcounter and .bomb agree, but KVS doesnt...

Seatcounter gets its data from .bomb. They are always the same.:p

Quote:

Originally Posted by jason8612 (Post 8775432)

also is there a way to look up a specific fare basis? like the MA one?

This feature is not yet publicly available, but I tested it yesterday to get the fare rules for the MA fare: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...&postcount=137

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 8776084)

This feature is not yet publicly available, but I tested it yesterday to get the fare rules for the MA fare: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...&postcount=137

I know, I saw it and something like that would be real nice. Hope it will be added soon :D

I was wondering how you brought up those fare rules... try as I could I couldn't get the right fare code to show up in DotRes or ZUJ methods.