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New [Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld] Method:

Shows available awards on most OneWorld carriers (QF/BA/AA/AY/IB/MA + EI)
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I noticed that LAN is not on your list. Since the QF website allows me to search for LAN awards, is this a typo or intentional? Thanks.

enmascarado

Dec 16, 2007 11:04 pm

Problems with Skyteam Awards availability.

Hi KVS,

I am looking for award availability from SFO to EZE, using ORT: Skyteam Awards, yet all that shows me is availability on CO. I know there are flights to EZE on DL and AM too, but they are not coming up! Even when I use ATL-EZE as city pairs, only CO flights are showing up...

Anybody else seen this?

la2clt

Dec 17, 2007 7:33 pm

Hello. Is there someone that can help me with a technical issue in KVS' absence? I am getting the 12029 connection error. I reviewed the FAQs, and I deleted the program from my firewall programs, and when that didn't work, I disabled both the firewall and all of Norton 360--still getting the error message.

I did a search of this thread, and I wasn't able to find anything other than someone who got a new firewall! I prefer not to do that.

If more appropriate to PM then here that's fine. I appreciate anyone who is able to help. Thank you.

Hartmann

Dec 20, 2007 10:19 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 8831563)

The use of a Mac is one's choice and I certainly respect that. I am willing to make reasonable accommodations in terms of compatibility (for example, an alternative keyboard shortcut was introduced to accommodate Mac users, who couldn't "right click").

Re-writing 15 000+ lines of code and taking a hit on decreased application performance from the use of "platform-independent" solutions? Sorry, but I would have to say no.

In any case, now that Apple had finally acknowledged the idiocy behind using a non-Intel processor architecture on consumer-grade machines, running a Win32 application on a modern Mac is easier than ever: http://kvs.unrealnetwork.com/Images/...elsDesktop.gif

I was actually going to ask a similar question when I saw this.

From a developer standpoint, the answer is simple, branch the product while developing a core library/framework from which to work. C/C++/C# aren't that much different than ObjectiveC.

Though from the looks of it, you may have written KVS in Delphi.

Ever thought about using something that is truly cross-platform that doesn't suffer a performance hit (such as Python)?

kryten22uk

Dec 20, 2007 2:25 pm

How do I find out what the class codes are for QR? I thought the highest classes were always first, but the following doesnt seem to follow that principle:

QR 11 DOH 07:40 LHR 13:25 332 0 F2 P4 A0 O0 C4 J2 D4 I0 Y4 B4 L4 M4 Q4 K4 H4 V4 T4 G4 W4 N0

This might suggest that F/P are first class, and C/J are business. But why more P than F spaces and more J than C spaces. Also what is the A and O? Too many First class codes?

KVS	Dec 30, 2007 11:05 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rrgg (Post 8888412)

I noticed that LAN is not on your list. Since the QF website allows me to search for LAN awards, is this a typo or intentional? Thanks.

This has now been updated -- thanks.

KVS	Dec 30, 2007 11:07 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by enmascarado (Post 8908842)

I am looking for award availability from SFO to EZE, using ORT: Skyteam Awards, yet all that shows me is availability on CO. I know there are flights to EZE on DL and AM too, but they are not coming up! Even when I use ATL-EZE as city pairs, only CO flights are showing up...

That is, indeed, what the SkyTeam search engine currently returns -- unfortunately, there is no way to override this behaviour...

KVS	Dec 30, 2007 11:21 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by kryten22uk (Post 8931456)

The above availability could be erroneous:

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Sabre: ITN/UK-ASB]

Code:

DOH  Doha QA [OTBD]

LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]

TUE  01 Jan 2008



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------- 

QR        11     DOH  07:40     LHR  12:25     333  0    F4 P4 A4 C4 J4 D0 Y4 B4 L4 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0

QR        1      DOH  12:45     LHR  17:30          0    F4 P4 A0 C4 J4 D0 Y4 B4 L4 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0

[KVS Availability Tool 3.0.2/Platinum - Apollo: ITN/US-ARL]

Code:

DOH  Doha QA [OTBD]

LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY

TUE  01 Jan 2008



Carrier   Flight From Depart    To   Arrive    A/C  St   Availability

--------- ------ ---- --------- ---- --------- ---- ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- 

QR        11     DOH  07:40     LHR  12:25     333  0    F2 P4 A4 O0 C4 J2 D0 I0 Y4 B4 L4 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0 T0 G0 W0 N0

QR        1      DOH  12:45     LHR  17:30     346  0    F2 P4 A0 O0 C4 J2 D0 I0 Y4 B4 L0 M0 Q0 K0 H0 V0 T0 G0 W0 N0

kryten22uk

Dec 31, 2007 3:41 am

Ok, so it looks like Sabre is best for QR, as your Apollo insert above gives the same erronous numbers.

P.S how do I insert the neat KVS extracts like that?

KVS	Dec 31, 2007 8:33 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by kryten22uk (Post 8977493)

P.S how do I insert the neat KVS extracts like that?

By reviewing the [Additional Features FAQ] section at the top of this thread :).

KVS	Dec 31, 2007 8:38 pm

Code:

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| |  | |                         | \ | |              

| |__| | __ _ _ __  _ __  _   _  |  \| | _____      __

|  __  |/ _` | '_ \| '_ \| | | | | . ` |/ _ \ \ /\ / /

| |  | | (_| | |_) | |_) | |_| | | |\  |  __/\ V  V / 

|_|  |_|\__,_| .__/| .__/ \__, | |_| \_|\___| \_/\_/  

             | |   | |     __/ |                      

             |_|   |_|    |___/                       

__     __               ___   ___   ___   ___    _ 

\ \   / /              |__ \ / _ \ / _ \ / _ \  | |

 \ \_/ /__  __ _ _ __     ) | | | | | | | (_) | | |

  \   / _ \/ _` | '__|   / /| | | | | | |> _ <  | |

   | |  __/ (_| | |     / /_| |_| | |_| | (_) | |_|

   |_|\___|\__,_|_|    |____|\___/ \___/ \___/  (_)

RChavez

Jan 4, 2008 7:41 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS (Post 8831826)

I think that this might be the wrong kind of forum for that :p.

Firstly, it's a performance issue -- no web-based solution will ever be as fast a well-written native [Win or Mac] application. Secondly, there are currently operational/technical constraints for making the Tool web-based.

Indeed, and I certainly appreciate your continued support of the project.

Not to derail the thread too much, but the performance argument always elicits a response. :) Writing it in Java would solve the platform independence, and Java these days is very nearly as high performing as a natively linked & compiled app.

Of course, I may be biased as a Java engineer, but I can say with complete certainty that there is at least one example of an application written entirely in Java that is responsible for handling hundreds of flight availability queries per second, and it doesn't bat an eyelash. Now granted, this is across all instances of the application, but I guarantee there aren't hundreds of instances deployed in parallel. :) I'll give you a hint. Its mother-ship is also a type of sword. ;)

When you're screen-scraping from the web, I don't think the latency from the JVM overhead is going to be your bottleneck.

Though I completely agree with you that porting what you've developed to date is not a trivial effort!

KVS	Jan 4, 2008 7:57 pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RChavez (Post 9006928)

Of course, I may be biased as a Java engineer, but I can say with complete certainty that there is at least one example of an application written entirely in Java that is responsible for handling hundreds of flight availability queries per second, and it doesn't bat an eyelash. Now granted, this is across all instances of the application, but I guarantee there aren't hundreds of instances deployed in parallel. :) I'll give you a hint. Its mother-ship is also a type of sword. ;)

The performance issue concerns mostly the GUI, and in that area, Java's performance, at least under Win32, is quite dreadful....

FlyerGoldII

Jan 5, 2008 10:50 am

1. I was looking at the cheapest return latitude fare (U class) for YOW-HNL on the aircanada.com web site for this coming Aug - it was (incl. taxes) about $1600+. Using the KVS tool (sabre dot.res) - it came up at $2400. Why the discrepancy?

KVS	Jan 5, 2008 11:07 am

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII (Post 9009620)

The U-class fare(s) that AC.com is using to price this itinerary are not [yet?] loaded into [all] GDS systems...

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