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KVS Feb 5, 2015 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 24295736)
I imagine everyone would be even more interested to hear KVS's authoritative voice on the future of his product.

KVS Tool Members will continue to enjoy its unsurpassed Award Availability Coverage, which includes 100% Award Coverage across all Star Alliance, OneWorld and SkyTeam airlines, as well as a variety of other useful features and functions for frequent travellers.


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 24295736)
It has now been months since "Availability" became "Currently Unavailable"

Actually, Regular Availability continues to be accessible via the KVS Tool Mobile Companion.


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 24295736)
yet subscriptions are still being offered

Indeed.


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 24295736)
and the app is still called the "Availability Tool".

More accurately, it's called KVS Tool, although both names have been used interchangeably for many years now. Also, the term "Availability" encompasses all types of Availability (including Award & Upgrade Availability).


Originally Posted by IMH (Post 24295736)
What happens next, KVS?

The same thing that has been happening over the last 10+ years, since the inception of the KVS Tool in 2004 -- its Members will continue to enjoy the benefits it provides.

TWA884 Feb 5, 2015 1:10 pm


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 24297852)
More accurately, it's called KVS Tool, although both names have been used interchangeably for many years now. Also, the term "Availability" encompasses all types of Availability (including Award & Upgrade Availability).

The homepage is titled: KVS Availability Tool: Global Flight Availability, Award Availability, Fares, Timetables, Seat Maps.

vbroucek Feb 6, 2015 2:41 am


Originally Posted by KVS (Post 24297852)
More accurately, it's called KVS Tool, although both names have been used interchangeably for many years now. Also, the term "Availability" encompasses all types of Availability (including Award & Upgrade Availability).

KVS, your own screenshots suggest something else... Have a look here [deleted by moderator] And I have taken time stamped forensically clean screen shots of that link, so do not try to change them [deleted by moderator] again...

vbroucek Feb 6, 2015 2:47 am


Originally Posted by vbroucek (Post 24294840)
Finally as a challenge, can someone who still has KVS subscription find me some reasonably priced REVENUE availability between HBA and FUN, return? I think it could be FUN to try to check that post box KVS has its domain registered to:D

[deleted by moderator] How about KVS? Aren't you interested in a bit of FUN?

KVS Feb 6, 2015 11:32 am


Originally Posted by Lurker1999 (Post 24294660)
Can KVS currently search accurately for Star Alliance upgrade space (i.e. I class)?

Most certainly -- KVS Tool supports I Class Award/Upgrade Availability on all 29 Star Alliance member carriers.

shuom Feb 8, 2015 10:22 am

I've read through a little bit, but I just wanted to confirm that Fare Availability (e.g. F0 J0 .... Y0) no longer exists right?

I hadn't realized this change had occurred.

golfmad Feb 8, 2015 10:25 am


Originally Posted by shuom (Post 24313089)
I've read through a little bit, but I just wanted to confirm that Fare Availability (e.g. F0 J0 .... Y0) no longer exists right?

I hadn't realized this change had occurred.

It's not in the desktop tool but is available via the mobile companion (kvstool/mc). The trouble I found is that the POS can vary and it's not clear what POS has been used to produce the results.

pschafer Feb 8, 2015 2:29 pm

Issue with AC-Star Alliance method
 
When searching a date at the edge of the booking window (e.g. + 252 days) I sometimes (but not always) get an error stating I cannot search dates beyond date xxxx (where xxx is +255 days) when I am not searching beyond that date.

KVS Feb 8, 2015 3:28 pm


Originally Posted by pschafer (Post 24314357)
When searching a date at the edge of the booking window (e.g. + 252 days) I sometimes (but not always) get an error stating I cannot search dates beyond date xxxx (where xxx is +255 days) when I am not searching beyond that date.

It's a limitation of the [Awards/AC-StarAlliance] Engine, which requires a return date for searches. Accordingly, the Maximum Date Range for that Method can vary from 352 to 355 days, depending on the Time Zones and routes involved.

We will be introducing a POS option for that Method in the next update, which should provide a work-around for this issue.

Placebogirl Feb 11, 2015 3:00 am

SQ website/KVS showing different data
 
Hi,

Just wondering if you can help me with something: The KVS tool is showng CM+, but I can't book this u/g via the SQ website. Is it worth calling and asking about it? I could change my flights to something more amenable to u/g otherwise...

TIA
PG

vbroucek Feb 11, 2015 3:21 am


Originally Posted by Placebogirl (Post 24328936)
Hi,

Just wondering if you can help me with something: The KVS tool is showng CM+, but I can't book this u/g via the SQ website. Is it worth calling and asking about it? I could change my flights to something more amenable to u/g otherwise...

TIA
PG

KVS (Availability) Tool is no longer reliable source of information...

KVS Feb 11, 2015 11:43 am


Originally Posted by Placebogirl (Post 24328936)
Just wondering if you can help me with something: The KVS tool is showng CM+, but I can't book this u/g via the SQ website. Is it worth calling and asking about it? I could change my flights to something more amenable to u/g otherwise...

CM are Medium Level Awards, not Upgrades.
For Business Upgrade availability, you need to look for CS Class.

Please consult the SQ section of the KVS Tool User Guide for details:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#SQ

rj123456 Feb 11, 2015 10:44 pm

No HA availability, but available on AA.com??
 
I understand some of the issues re. screen scraping but as someone pointed out time is money and kvstool does a reasonable job of simplifying (or rather organizing) cumbersome multiple searches. I used it for a bunch of award searches recently and I think I could replicated the functionality using the underlying data sources that KVS itself uses; however the convenience and (once you get used to it) the (artificial) similarity of the views across multiple sources is useful.

So after a 2 month trial, I signed up for an annual subscription. A sucker perhaps but whatever.

Anyways...a question. KVStool claims award availability for Hawaiian is only available in the mobile companion. Per the guide, the econcomy class booking code is T.


HA Hawaiian Airlines T Economy Award# P First Additional/HM "Flex" Award

P First Upgrade [Mobile Companion] # Partner redemptions only
Here's the output:

HA 45 SJO
07:50 OGG
11:15 763/0
03:25 Info
Seat Map
F7 J5 P3 C0 A0 Y7 W7 X7 Q7 V7 B2 S0 N0 M0 I0 H0 G0 K0 L0 Z0 O0
Another strange KVS quirk is that it sometimes converts San Jose CA (SJC) to SJO (San Juan Puerto Rico???) on output. However the flight number is a valid HA flight from San Jose. Ignoring this quirk, why is there no T availability?

AA.com shows at least one seat is available in Economy. (This is for Feb 25, 2015)


American Airlines
Alaska Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines
All Area Airports
San Jose
SJC - San Jose International
OAK - Oakland Metropolitan Oak Intl
SFO - San Francisco International
Kahului
OGG - Kahului Airport Kahului Maui

Tue Feb 24
Wed Feb 25
Thu Feb 26

Additional eligible airports for award travel may be included.
17.5K
HA 45
7:50 AM
SJC
11:15 AM
OGG
Hawaiian Airlines
Seat information not available Meal: Breakfast
Aircraft: 763 Booking Code: T
Total travel time: 5hr 25min Cabin: Economy
Flight Details

Xyzzy Feb 11, 2015 11:29 pm


Originally Posted by rj123456 (Post 24336407)
I understand some of the issues re. screen scraping but as someone pointed out time is money and kvstool does a reasonable job of simplifying (or rather organizing) cumbersome multiple searches. I used it for a bunch of award searches recently and I think I could replicated the functionality using the underlying data sources that KVS itself uses; however the convenience and (once you get used to it) the (artificial) similarity of the views across multiple sources is useful.

It might also be easier and faster to walk into a bank with a gun when looking for money vs. filling out a withdrawal slip. But that's theft and it's unarguably wrong. The data sources KVS uses generally pr:eek:hibit the use KVS makes of them. That's theft, too. It may be easier, but that doesn't make it right.

I'd have no problem paying for data if I knew it were legitimately obtained. In this case it is most clearly not and the funds paid are going into the pocket of someone who has taken it against the wishes of its owners/sources.

lewinr Feb 12, 2015 1:30 am


Originally Posted by Xyzzy (Post 24336523)
The data sources KVS uses generally pr:eek:hibit the use KVS makes of them....That's theft

[deleted by moderator]

How is it prohibited? By the Terms of Service? Which part of ToS exactly does it violate? Most critics of KVS have said that ToS often forbid scraping, so I assume that is what you are saying. Scrapers generally read the information and store it which KVS does not do. KVS immediately presents the information in a different format without storing anything. Therefore KVS tool should be considered as an alternative browser.

If you want to argue that the ToS can forbid alternative presentation of a site, I am not sure that the law supports that*. And such a stance would mean that anybody who (for example) turns off of displaying images, changes the font size, uses a translation or similar widget, or has a disability that requires a special browser cannot access any such sites. And that they (or the vendors of those browsers) are also thieves.

(*Many users are not located in the US. Are you an expert in how those ToS apply in each country in the world? Also note that many of the websites are also not US websites.)


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