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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 25000729)
It will be interesting to see if the long-promised autopricing of RTWs helps or hinders us :)
I suspect there will be lots and lots of YQ miscalculations—in both directions. I'm not saying that will happen - it's far too difficult for entities of all types and sizes to successfully contract for (via internal IT or an external supplier) software. |
Originally Posted by TopGunner
(Post 25003718)
Unfortunately I cannot get AA to issue a detailed receipt of charges and taxes. They say they cannot even see the details themselves. Any suggestions on how I get the fare construction details to potentially challenge the secretive ticketing desk?
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Originally Posted by JohnAx
(Post 25008003)
If the rules as published aren't ambiguous the software should be relatively easy to get right.
I'm not saying that will happen - it's far too difficult for entities of all types and sizes to successfully contract for (via internal IT or an external supplier) software. https://static.googleusercontent.com...arl_Sep-03.pdf However in the context of rtw fares hopefully it shouldn't take too long to get somewhere. |
Originally Posted by JohnAx
(Post 25008022)
I'd guess a legal filing is the only way.
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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 25008812)
On what basis? Is there a DoT right to see the fees/taxes field of a ticket?
So an airline can't just say that taxes and surcharges equal $300. They have to say that taxes equal $25 and carrier imposed surcharges equal $275. Whether they need to breakdown down further on a multi-airline ticket I don't know. The RTW tool does a pretty good job of breaking it down. |
Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 25011601)
DOT does require that taxes and carrier imposed surcharges be shown separately.
So an airline can't just say that taxes and surcharges equal $300. They have to say that taxes equal $25 and carrier imposed surcharges equal $275. Whether they need to breakdown down further on a multi-airline ticket I don't know. The RTW tool does a pretty good job of breaking it down. |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 25011612)
I mean, it should not be hard. The ticket will have each listed on it anyway in the fare construction field.
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Originally Posted by skunker
(Post 25011642)
Exactly. So, if AA is unable/unwilling to give that information then they are either lying or not following DOT regulations.
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AA Unbelievable
So to continue the saga, I changed my routing to mimick my original routing and lo and behold it still doesn't add up, my refund is even less than the original upcharge. No airport taxes have changed since I bought the ticket and you cannot have a fare change in the middle of a trip. Btw, I am also accounting for the change fee.
It only leads me to one conclusion AA is full of Sh*t and they are not to be trusted on calculating anything. Also plausible AA is throwing carrier charges on anything they want. At least with BA you know the game. Both customer relations and the EXP desk said you are on your own with the price desk, they cannot do or say anything to them. Well, Doug and Karen are about to get some nice words and DOT will have something to deal ponder. |
Originally Posted by TopGunner
(Post 25030445)
So to continue the saga, I changed my routing to mimick my original routing and lo and behold it still doesn't add up, my refund is even less than the original upcharge. No airport taxes have changed since I bought the ticket and you cannot have a fare change in the middle of a trip. Btw, I am also accounting for the change fee.
It only leads me to one conclusion AA is full of Sh*t and they are not to be trusted on calculating anything. Also plausible AA is throwing carrier charges on anything they want. At least with BA you know the game. Both customer relations and the EXP desk said you are on your own with the price desk, they cannot do or say anything to them. Well, Doug and Karen are about to get some nice words and DOT will have something to deal ponder. Fare Taxes Original ticket: 5,361 USD 698.51USD Ticket 2: 5,630 USD 788USD Ticket 3: 4,981 USD 526.41USD |
Originally Posted by TopGunner
(Post 25031016)
More details to bore you all, but maybe the experts can discern something from this information. So by looking through the various tickets issued and exchanged for my reservation via the AA refund channel I got the info below. Now keep in mind this an ex-JNB fare bought in Johannesburg and in Rand.
Fare Taxes Original ticket: 5,361 USD 698.51USD Ticket 2: 5,630 USD 788USD Ticket 3: 4,981 USD 526.41USD |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 25031028)
Which office issued these tickets? Was the fare quoted in USD or ZAR?
I am starting to thinking AA cannot keep the currencies straight, that I shouldn't have had AA RTW desk touch the ticket after it got issued in South Africa. |
Originally Posted by TopGunner
(Post 25031106)
quoted and issued in ZAR via Mindpearl in South Africa. First change done via AA RTW desk quoted USD for changes. Second change called South Africa minimal refund quoted in ZAR.
I am starting to thinking AA cannot keep the currencies straight, that I shouldn't have had AA RTW desk touch the ticket after it got issued in South Africa. |
if after exchange the new ticket is sold in USD I think the whole ticket would now be liable to currency movements
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The Wiki says:
Q: What about surface segments (eg arrive at LGA and depart from JFK)? Does that mean that, in this example, I would use two of my 16 segments, such that LGA-JFK essentially counts as a flight?A: These are counted towards the total of 16 segments. |
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