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wideman Sep 2, 2015 7:15 am
Date change for 1st flight
 
I'm planning an ex-JPN DONE3, and I'm wondering about the rules regarding changing the date/time of the first flight.

The Wiki says that "For tickets originating [outside the Americas], changes to the first international flight and preceding flights are not permitted." But the OneWorld site's T&C's doesn't make any reference to the origination point and says: "Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged."

Is it fair to assume that I can change the date/time of the first flight of an ex_JPN OWE (subject to any fare change in the ticket), and that the Wiki needs to be updated regarding this?

Calchas Sep 2, 2015 9:55 am
Originally Posted by wideman (Post 25366032)
I'm planning an ex-JPN DONE3, and I'm wondering about the rules regarding changing the date/time of the first flight.

The Wiki says that "For tickets originating [outside the Americas], changes to the first international flight and preceding flights are not permitted." But the OneWorld site's T&C's doesn't make any reference to the origination point and says: "Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged."

Is it fair to assume that I can change the date/time of the first flight of an ex_JPN OWE (subject to any fare change in the ticket), and that the Wiki needs to be updated regarding this?
Here are the BA DONE3 change rules on TYO-TYO

Code:
        NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          FEES AS DESCRIBED BELOW MAY BE WAIVED IN CASE OF
          CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER OR
          PASSENGERS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR
          ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER.
          ---
          LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY ON REBOOKING /
          REROUTING /REISSUE OR REFUND.
          --------------------------------------------------
          CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE
          A/ CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS
          REMAIN THE SAME. IF THE FIRST FLIGHT COUPON IS
          BEING CHANGED AND THE FARE LEVEL HAS INCREASED
          SINCE THE TICKET ISSUANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
          THE OLD AND NEW FARE BE CHARGED. IF THE FARE
          LEVEL HAS DECREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE NO
          REFUND WILL APPLY.
          -
          B/ CHANGES TO TICKETED POINTS ARE PERMITTED AT A
          CHARGE OF USD125.00 PER TRANSACTION. IF THE FARE
          LEVEL HAS INCREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE THE
          DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW FARE WILL
          ALSO BE CHARGED. IF THE FARE LEVEL HAS DECREASED
          SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE NO REFUND WILL APPLY.
          ---
          CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE
          A/ CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS
          REMAIN THE SAME.
          -
          B/ CHANGES TO TICKETED POINTS ARE PERMITTED AT A
          CHARGE OF USD125.00 PER TRANSACTION.
          -
          C/ NO SHOW REQUIRES REBOOKING AT CHARGE OF USD
          125.00.
          -
          D/ IF THE REROUTING RESULTS IN AN INCREASE TO THE
          NUMBER OF THE CONTINENTS OR EXTRA FLIGHT SEGMENTS
          PREVIOUSLY CHARGED THE TICKET SHALL RECALCULATED.
          TICKET MAY BE REISSUED TO ANY APPLICABLE EXPLORER
          FARE VALIDATING ALL RULES OF THE NEW FARE EXCEPT
          FOR RESTRICTIONS ON RETROACTIVE USE. REROUTING
          FEE APPLIES WHEN THE RESULTING FARE IS LESS THAN
          OR EQUAL TO THE ORIGINAL FARE. NO REFUND APPLIES.
          SEE UPGRADING PROVISIONS WHEN RECALCULATION
          RESULTS IN A NEW FARE BASIS AT A HIGHER VALUE.

wideman Sep 2, 2015 12:36 pm
Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25366828)
Here are the BA DONE3 change rules on TYO-TYO
<long fare rule removed>
Well, yes, that's word-for-word the same as I included in my post. My point is that the Wiki in this thread appears to say something that's quite different:

Flyertalk Wiki (this thread):
For tickets originating in North or South America, changes to the first international flight and all preceding flights must be completed no later than 7 days before departure. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge...For tickets originating elsewhere, changes to the first international flight and preceding flights are not permitted.
OW/BA Fare Rule:
CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE

A/ CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS REMAIN THE SAME. IF THE FIRST FLIGHT COUPON IS BEING CHANGED AND THE FARE LEVEL HAS INCREASED SINCE THE TICKET ISSUANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD AND NEW FARE BE CHARGED.
Unless someone knows that there is, in fact, a difference in the 1st-flight-change rules between origin in the Americas and origin in rest-of-world, then I'll change the Wiki to reflect the current rule.

Calchas Sep 2, 2015 2:33 pm
Originally Posted by wideman (Post 25367607)
Well, yes, that's word-for-word the same as I included in my post. My point is that the Wiki in this thread appears to say something that's quite different
If you knew the answer to
Is it fair to assume that I can change the date/time of the first flight of an ex_JPN OWE
Then why did you ask? :p :D

Originally Posted by wideman (Post 25367607)
Unless someone knows that there is, in fact, a difference in the 1st-flight-change rules between origin in the Americas and origin in rest-of-world, then I'll change the Wiki to reflect the current rule.
AA DONE3 on NYCNYC has the same change rules.

I would conclude that the information in the wiki is outdated

Full Score Sep 2, 2015 4:22 pm
Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25368202)
If you knew the answer....then why did you ask?
What an unnecessarily unpleasant response!

Calchas Sep 2, 2015 4:27 pm
Originally Posted by Full Score (Post 25368708)
What an unnecessarily unpleasant response!
The tongue-in-cheek and grinning smileys there (which are omitted in your quote) are intended to soften the bluntness of the question. The response was not intended to be unpleasant, I hope no upset was caused. I intended to express my surprise at the unpleasant reply that I received for providing an authoritative answer to a question. :)

wideman Sep 2, 2015 6:16 pm
Wiki is updated.

Dr. HFH Sep 4, 2015 12:22 am
Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 25363860)
was told about the across the board fare increase for ONE fare... is it true?
Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 25364756)
Not that I can tell...
OTOH, I'd be surprised if we didn't see one very soon, given the rate at which currency exchange is moving. AONE4 ex-JNB now <$7,200. I'm going to try to buy one or two tix in the morning, if I can get the itinerary planned out by then.

Calchas Sep 4, 2015 12:29 am
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 25375430)
OTOH, I'd be surprised if we didn't see one very soon, given the rate at which currency exchange is moving. AONE4 ex-JNB now <$7,200. I'm going to try to buy one or two tix in the morning, if I can get the itinerary planned out by then.
You only need to make reservations on the first international sector to buy a ticket under the xONEx fare. After departure historical fares would apply on changes

Dr. HFH Sep 4, 2015 1:30 am
Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25375442)
You only need to make reservations on the first international sector to buy a ticket under the xONEx fare. After departure historical fares would apply on changes
Yup, I know. It's just easier for life planning if I can get the itinerary nailed down as early as possible; so I try to get it done all in one shot for travel I know about in advance and for which I know that the dates aren't going to change.

pandaperth Sep 4, 2015 3:05 am
Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25375442)
You only need to make reservations on the first international sector to buy a ticket under the xONEx fare. After departure historical fares would apply on changes
Is this still possible in these non-paper ticket days?
I thought e-ticketing requires dates for all flight segments on the ticket

Dr. HFH Sep 4, 2015 11:10 am
Anyone look at a graph of the ZAR v. USD recently? Looks like the ZAR has fallen off a cliff!!

allset2travel Sep 4, 2015 7:05 pm
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 25375742)
Is this still possible in these non-paper ticket days?
I thought e-ticketing requires dates for all flight segments on the ticket
That's what AA RTW desk told me. Each flight must have a date associated with.

Full Score Sep 4, 2015 8:33 pm
Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 25375442)
You only need to make reservations on the first international sector to buy a ticket under the xONEx fare. After departure historical fares would apply on changes
Yes, this is totally correct. I regularly have AONE4s issued, starting in CPT, and book the first two sectors (CPT-JNB-LHR) on the date I require, then put in dummy dates for the rest of the tickets, subsequently changing them when I know my actual travel itinerary. As long as the airport codes remain unaltered, you can change the dates without an additional fee (but only after making your first journey). You are only limited by each airlines' timetables: AA & JL 331 days ahead, BA & CX 355 days ahead. So effectively you have another 11+ months travel after your first international sector.

pandaperth Sep 5, 2015 2:34 am
Originally Posted by Full Score (Post 25379515)
Yes, this is totally correct. I regularly have AONE4s issued, starting in CPT, and book the first two sectors (CPT-JNB-LHR) on the date I require, then put in dummy dates for the rest of the tickets, subsequently changing them when I know my actual travel itinerary. As long as the airport codes remain unaltered, you can change the dates without an additional fee (but only after making your first journey). You are only limited by each airlines' timetables: AA & JL 331 days ahead, BA & CX 355 days ahead. So effectively you have another 11+ months travel after your first international sector.
Yes, but by putting in dummy dates you are in fact making reservations.
Calchas is implying you can still have open-dated segments, which is what you could do back in the days of paper tickets (and the Oneworld Explorer fare rules still allow)
but it is my understanding that electronic ticketing does not allow open-dated segments


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