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Smiley90 Dec 25, 2016 7:04 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27660667)
Explorer prices are specific to the country from which you start

Fares ex-Egypt were such a good deal that it was worth positioning there to start. Those prices have now gone - see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...w-tickets.html

We will all have to wait to find out which country will be the next bargain basement starting country

Seasonally adjusted greeting to one and all

Okay thats not too bad, that narrows it down to a reasonable number to check, thanks!

Now if only the tool would stop giving me "no availability for first segment" errors even though I know there is availability, thatd be great...

Pseudo Nim Dec 25, 2016 7:17 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27660667)
Explorer prices are specific to the country from which you start

Fares ex-Egypt were such a good deal that it was worth positioning there to start. Those prices have now gone - see http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...w-tickets.html

We will all have to wait to find out which country will be the next bargain basement starting country

Seasonally adjusted greeting to one and all

Sorry - my apologies. Of course, since prices for the the ex-Australia one haven't changed in a while, there's no reprice to speak of per se. I do also have an ex-Cairo one that I got during the revaluation... so I was using my SYD one as an example, but in fairness, I should've more correctly used the ex-CAI one as that's more of a likely problematic situation (and I am, in fact, more likely to need to move the first segment to another date... although it seems like that's not going to work at this point).

pandaperth Dec 25, 2016 7:55 am


Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim (Post 27660706)
Sorry - my apologies. Of course, since prices for the the ex-Australia one haven't changed in a while, there's no reprice to speak of per se. I do also have an ex-Cairo one that I got during the revaluation... so I was using my SYD one as an example, but in fairness, I should've more correctly used the ex-CAI one as that's more of a likely problematic situation (and I am, in fact, more likely to need to move the first segment to another date... although it seems like that's not going to work at this point).

OK - my confusion has been cleared up

Right at this point in time your wanting to change the first segment of an ex-Egypt itinerary is interesting, because:
  • changing the first segment triggers a reprice at today's fare
  • but currently there is no "today's fare"!! (at least according to ExpertFlyer)
  • so, IMHO, there should be no price increase (but I am certainly no expert in this matter:))

Pseudo Nim Dec 25, 2016 8:02 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27660790)
OK - my confusion has been cleared up

Right at this point in time your wanting to change the first segment of an ex-Egypt itinerary is interesting, because:
  • changing the first segment triggers a reprice at today's fare
  • but currently there is no "today's fare"!! (at least according to ExpertFlyer)
  • so, IMHO, there should be no price increase (but I am certainly no expert in this matter:))

hah! Well - that's interesting. I wonder what would happen. How about i don't go try and break it and lose my ticket in the process :D

SFO_FT Dec 25, 2016 12:21 pm

If you make the change, then the segments reserved will be repriced. If the original fare type no longer exists (e.g., RTW fare in this case), then the reprice will be done as the sum of the individual flights. You won't like to hear the price!!

pandaperth Dec 25, 2016 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by SFO_FT (Post 27661387)
If you make the change, then the segments reserved will be repriced. If the original fare type no longer exists (e.g., RTW fare in this case), then the reprice will be done as the sum of the individual flights. You won't like to hear the price!!

WOW!
Are you sure of this??
Seems very unfair to me if it is the case

Calchas Dec 25, 2016 4:24 pm


Originally Posted by SFO_FT (Post 27661387)
If you make the change, then the segments reserved will be repriced. If the original fare type no longer exists (e.g., RTW fare in this case), then the reprice will be done as the sum of the individual flights. You won't like to hear the price!!


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27661542)
WOW!
Are you sure of this??
Seems very unfair to me if it is the case

I am not so sure about this. Assuming the new ticket is following IATA ticket rules, the required fares to construct a ticket in this way may not exist for some set of airports.

Full Y/J/F fares cannot always be combined; they are not always totally flexible. I think BA and IB are pretty restrictive in even their full Y fares, in that they do not always permit combinations with other carriers. And they won't honour IATA YY fares any more either. Recently a number of carriers have also stopped allowing Egyptian offices to issue many of their fares.

And then not every flight has a oneway fare published on it, certain niche routes are feeder only and do not exist as standalone flights (sometimes for legal reasons, or because of a codeshare existence restriction).

My guess is actually the agent would say you either fly the route as booked or take a refund: not necessarily out of policy, but because there is nothing else they can do.

rens Dec 26, 2016 12:40 am


Originally Posted by Smiley90 (Post 27660686)
!

Now if only the tool would stop giving me "no availability for first segment" errors even though I know there is availability, thatd be great...

This may be the tools awkward way of saying that it does not want to sell a RTW ticket ex cai, even if space is available. Thus, unlikely to change until a new pricing structure is in place.

Pseudo Nim Dec 26, 2016 1:12 am


Originally Posted by rens (Post 27662767)
This may be the tools awkward way of saying that it does not want to sell a RTW ticket ex cai, even if space is available. Thus, unlikely to change until a new pricing structure is in place.

It's odd, but I am getting this for ANY city. I tried Tokyo, London, Dusseldorf, etc - they're all giving this error.

Smiley90 Dec 26, 2016 2:56 am


Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim (Post 27662816)
It's odd, but I am getting this for ANY city. I tried Tokyo, London, Dusseldorf, etc - they're all giving this error.

glad to see I'm not the only one - I was actually trying to compare ex-Hubs I can do like ex-YVR, ex-SEA and ex-ZRH. All gave me that same error, I didnt even try ex-CAI.

is it working for anyone? I only tried it using Chrome FWIW.

Pseudo Nim Dec 26, 2016 3:44 am


Originally Posted by Smiley90 (Post 27662985)
glad to see I'm not the only one - I was actually trying to compare ex-Hubs I can do like ex-YVR, ex-SEA and ex-ZRH. All gave me that same error, I didnt even try ex-CAI.

is it working for anyone? I only tried it using Chrome FWIW.

FWIW I tried different browsers (and incognito mode) and different computers. Normally this was sufficient to fix this broken monstrosity of a website, but not in this case.

Guess the site's out for Christmas vacation while "enhancements" are being brought in?.... heh

Dr. HFH Dec 26, 2016 3:51 am

At the risk of killing the golden goose before it lays any eggs....

I see that QR is commencing service ex-SEZ. ExpertFlyer has no xONEx fare posted starting in the Seychelles. Anyone know anything?

pbd456 Dec 26, 2016 12:04 pm

alaska mvp 75k vs oneworld emerald
 
last week, AS made a significant improvement on J fare and F fare with extra 100% bonus on J fare for CX, Ba, la, qa and jl. and 200% for F fare. (including d and a class respectively.) given that as 75k gets an extra 50k bonus miles. the return for flying d fare is 450% to 650% miles flown (ba d fare earns more).

comparing to aa exec plat which earns 245% on most partners. anyone planning to switch?

Smiley90 Dec 26, 2016 3:54 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27664157)
last week, AS made a significant improvement on J fare and F fare with extra 100% bonus on J fare for CX, Ba, la, qa and jl. and 200% for F fare. (including d and a class respectively.) given that as 75k gets an extra 50k bonus miles. the return for flying d fare is 450% to 650% miles flown (ba d fare earns more).

comparing to aa exec plat which earns 245% on most partners. anyone planning to switch?

just a note: BA D fares earn 350% on AS, not 650. Nothing earns 650, in fact. The highest you can get is with 75k status on a full F fare on eg BA:

100% base
125% MVP75k
200% COS
200% new additional bonus

= 625%.

A earns 450% without status, D earns 350% without status

pbd456 Dec 27, 2016 12:49 am

for ba d 75k mvp
base 100
cos 150
bonus 100
75k. elite 125
75k bonus 50k 140

the 140 is assumed for elites who needed to fly 32k on ba d fare to get 90k status miles on as to qualified for additional 50k bonus miles . ba d fare has 2.5 weighting. (base plus cos)

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