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petez Dec 1, 2016 1:46 pm

Help with some rules please ...
 
Hi

Now that I have my DONE5 booked I would be grateful for some clarifications around some of the rules.

1 – I have 364 days to complete from the date of my first flight ?

2 – I can change the date/time of any segment without charge (with the exception of the first one which must be treated as fixed)

3 – Do I risk the ticket being ‘reissued’ (at a much higher price) if I look to alter the routing or is it just a $125 reroute fee ? Is this fee per flight or for each set of changes you make ?

4 - Can I add segments without risking a reissue ?

4 – If a route is discontinued and I end up having to add an extra segment through no fault of my own, would that count against my 16 segment limit ?

Thanks

pbd456 Dec 1, 2016 3:18 pm

is LONE4 or LONE5 off MPM supposed to be this cheap?

thinking to buy one of this flying on BA and AA and do u think it is possible to upgrade using upgrade certificate on BA and AA to upgrade to J?

rens Dec 1, 2016 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27553060)
is LONE4 or LONE5 off MPM supposed to be this cheap?

thinking to buy one of this flying on BA and AA and do u think it is possible to upgrade using upgrade certificate on BA and AA to upgrade to J?

Not sure what specific price you are referencing, but yes the Lone4 and 5 are good bargains in hard currency terms out of MPM, notwithstanding the recent fare increases. Naturally visa and positioning flites may increase costs, but that depends on each individuals situation.
Yes, it is possible to upgrade using AA or BA certificates on the respective carriers marketed and operated flights. Naturally all the rules of each respective instrument will apply, as on any other fare.
Note that, depending on the program used, mileage earning for either rewards or status may be limited. Nonetheless the fares remain attractive and offer quite low cpm (depending on routings obviously)

rens Dec 1, 2016 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27550058)
It depends what you want to do. Maintaining status in three mileage programmes within the same alliance seems to me inefficient for most travellers. I think most people would consolidate their mileage and status earning into one programme. But that is a wider question than one particular RTW trip.

Strongly second the idea that it is best to consolidate into one program, especially since you are have little to build on this year and will be starting over, like everyone else, in January. The key is really how you will use the status after you get it, which really means what your future airlines and travel patterns are. This is especially critical because it is not clear if your flites and routings will get you to top tier in any programme and you may need additional routine travel to round out the requirements. This suggests a programme in which you can get a challenge may be attractive.
Finally, it may make sense to select your programme before starting your trips, as this will give you a chance to optimize the routings/airlines/codeshare etc for the programme you select.

pbd456 Dec 1, 2016 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by rens (Post 27553284)
Not sure what specific price you are referencing, but yes the Lone4 and 5 are good bargains in hard currency terms out of MPM, notwithstanding the recent fare increases. Naturally visa and positioning flites may increase costs, but that depends on each individuals situation.
Yes, it is possible to upgrade using AA or BA certificates on the respective carriers marketed and operated flights. Naturally all the rules of each respective instrument will apply, as on any other fare.
Note that, depending on the program used, mileage earning for either rewards or status may be limited. Nonetheless the fares remain attractive and offer quite low cpm (depending on routings obviously)

the BA gold upgrade for 2 upgrade the entire ticket if issued by BA, right?
how many AA SWU would be needed to upgrade? I guess the rule is not really clear when applying to RTW ticket. yes. position and visa varies.. and i have 3.5 DONE tickets under my name, and just thinking about the future to see how to upgrade a LONE fare.

pbd456 Dec 1, 2016 4:47 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27551644)
Yes



No. A second visit to Asia is allowed, but one of the visits must be a transfer without stopover (same as for the xONEx)

It's all in the rule sheet, which is available on the Oneworld website

i was trying to read the fare rule from EF and found it confusing. The rule sheet is much nicer read and I can understand it really well now. thanks.

There are certainly situations in which a DGLOB34 is more useful than DONEx.

rens Dec 1, 2016 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 27551186)
Depends where you look; in a quick scan it was currently visible (using BA) ex-SYD, ex-AKL and ex-EZE, nothing yet ex-JNB/MPM/WDH. I presume it's taking time to populate the GDSs. On EF I plugged in mid-January in case the fare isn't active right now.

I tried a dummy booking on the tool and it validated the route but (as usual) barfed when I tried to find specific flights, so no autopricing either.

Could you please share the dummy booking you made on the tool. I am playing with possible routings and any ideas would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.

pandaperth Dec 1, 2016 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27553424)
the BA gold upgrade for 2 upgrade the entire ticket if issued by BA, right?
how many AA SWU would be needed to upgrade? I guess the rule is not really clear when applying to RTW ticket. yes. position and visa varies.. and i have 3.5 DONE tickets under my name, and just thinking about the future to see how to upgrade a LONE fare.

I cannot comment on BA upgrades - I've never been a member of that program.

With AA SWUs - each one can be used to upgrade up to three AA-marketed and operated flights. They have to be heading in the same direction, more or less. So for instance one could upgrade HKG-DFW-MIA-LHR using one SWU, but not say LHR-LAX-MIA-GRU.

Gardyloo Dec 1, 2016 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by rens (Post 27553445)
Could you please share the dummy booking you made on the tool. I am playing with possible routings and any ideas would be welcome.
Thanks in advance.

I set it up JNB-SYD-AKL-SCL-IPC-SCL-EZE-GRU-JNB but like I said it said "itinerary complete" and let me pick dates, but trying to find flights I got an error message, "Oh dear, a problem, will let the right people know" or some such BS. Typical.

rens Dec 1, 2016 5:09 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27553481)
I cannot comment on BA upgrades - I've never been a member of that program.

With AA SWUs - each one can be used to upgrade up to three AA-marketed and operated flights. They have to be heading in the same direction, more or less. So for instance one could upgrade HKG-DFW-MIA-LHR using one SWU, but not say LHR-LAX-MIA-GRU.

+1 The rule is crystal clear and what he said above.

pbd456 Dec 1, 2016 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by petez (Post 27552636)
Hi

Now that I have my DONE5 booked I would be grateful for some clarifications around some of the rules.

1 – I have 364 days to complete from the date of my first flight ?

2 – I can change the date/time of any segment without charge (with the exception of the first one which must be treated as fixed)

3 – Do I risk the ticket being ‘reissued’ (at a much higher price) if I look to alter the routing or is it just a $125 reroute fee ? Is this fee per flight or for each set of changes you make ?

4 - Can I add segments without risking a reissue ?

4 – If a route is discontinued and I end up having to add an extra segment through no fault of my own, would that count against my 16 segment limit ?

Thanks

1. Yes.
2. Yes. but you cant change a connection to a stopover for free (vice versa.... it depends on the airline, and they may be lazy to re calculate it so they let people slide.)
3. after you fly the first segment, you wont be charged for extra fare unless you add continents.
4) when you add segments, this is a reissue. do it after you fly the first segment.
5) i believe if you book on A - B on date X and your flight on date X is cancelled, you will be rerouted for free. However, if the flight A - B is cancelled after date Y where Y is later than X and you intend to move to date Y but you are still confirmed in date X, then you would need to pay a rerouting fee if you want to change to date Y with a connection. if you are over 16 segments at that point, you will have to change the route.

pbd456 Dec 1, 2016 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27553481)
I cannot comment on BA upgrades - I've never been a member of that program.

With AA SWUs - each one can be used to upgrade up to three AA-marketed and operated flights. They have to be heading in the same direction, more or less. So for instance one could upgrade HKG-DFW-MIA-LHR using one SWU, but not say LHR-LAX-MIA-GRU.

will AA take over a 160 ticket to apply the upgrade? that is the other concern.

if I do MPM DOH HKG DFW GRU xxx EZE DFW LHR yyy. then it would take 2 upgrades.

BA upgrade is per round trip so it is not clear what that means in the context of RTW ticket.

rens Dec 1, 2016 5:20 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 27553492)
I set it up JNB-SYD-AKL-SCL-IPC-SCL-EZE-GRU-JNB but like I said it said "itinerary complete" and let me pick dates, but trying to find flights I got an error message, "Oh dear, a problem, will let the right people know" or some such BS. Typical.

Thanks for the quick reply. It helps.
like any Done 3 it is a bit of a challenge to use all 16 segments effectively

rens Dec 1, 2016 5:45 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 27553528)
will AA take over a 160 ticket to apply the upgrade? that is the other concern.

if I do MPM DOH HKG DFW GRU xxx EZE DFW LHR yyy. then it would take 2 upgrades.

BA upgrade is per round trip so it is not clear what that means in the context of RTW ticket.

Have never had a problem getting AA to apply a SWU to a RTW ticket issued by another One World airline. Start by calling the ExPlt line for availability and they will coordinate/ transfer to the RTW desk for reissue. May take a day or so, depending on if both desks are open when you call. If upgrade space is not available when you call (often the case), you can waitlist

Looks like 2 SWUs to me. One for HKG-DFW-GRU and the second for EZE-DFW-LHR, assuming all flights are on AA metal and with AA flite numbers.

pbd456 Dec 1, 2016 7:22 pm


Originally Posted by rens (Post 27553546)
Thanks for the quick reply. It helps.
like any Done 3 it is a bit of a challenge to use all 16 segments effectively

it is mathematically impossible to use up all 16 segments on a DONE3 unless one of the continent is North America because all other continents allow only 4 intra region flights.
4+4+4 + 3 (inter continental ) = 15


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