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Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
(Post 27507527)
As far as I understand it, AONE6 has a 5% of fare cxl penalty. What if I fly the first segment (intra-region), how do I calculate the refund then?
The difficulty arises when it is not actually possible to construct your flown itinerary as a series of oneway fares on one ticket. |
Originally Posted by Pseudo Nim
(Post 27507527)
As far as I understand it, AONE6 has a 5% of fare cxl penalty. What if I fly the first segment (intra-region), how do I calculate the refund then?
If flown any sectors, then the equivalent one way fare is calculated for the sectors flown and added up. This is subtracted from paid fare to determine the refund. Thus refunds are not likely to be significant if the RTW was purchased cheaply compared with one-way fares for the sectors flown. There is no easy way for passengers to calculate/estimate the refund. |
Originally Posted by Kiwi Flyer
(Post 27512042)
That penalty is before taking any flights.
If flown any sectors, then the equivalent one way fare is calculated for the sectors flown and added up. This is subtracted from paid fare to determine the refund. Thus refunds are not likely to be significant if the RTW was purchased cheaply compared with one-way fares for the sectors flown. There is no easy way for passengers to calculate/estimate the refund. |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 27512575)
And if, as I expect would happen not infrequently, the passenger owes additional money, is it collected?
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Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 27512681)
Most countries with a notion of contract law would not allow that ...
"This is a special fare which requires a complete journey from initial origin to final destination and is based on the passenger completing the entire trip. Failure to complete the entire trip as ticketed will result in repricing those segments actually flown as one-way point-to-point flights in the cabin actually flown, which may result in a refund to, or additional collection from, the passenger." Seems to me that that would do it. |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 27515995)
Why not?
"This is a special fare which requires a complete journey from initial origin to final destination and is based on the passenger completing the entire trip. Failure to complete the entire trip as ticketed will result in repricing those segments actually flown as one-way point-to-point flights in the cabin actually flown, which may result in a refund to, or additional collection from, the passenger." On a separate point, many one way fares do not allow themselves to be used for historical repricing of flown sectors. Many of BA's fares now include the condition that "FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE." After the sector is flown you essentially have an empty tariff with no price for that leg. |
The other take could be - if the sum of the one way fares exceed the value of the originally purchased xONEx - then the ticket can not be cancelled/refunded and no money is refunded/asked for from the customer.
Happy wandering Fred |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 27516110)
If that were very clearly stated at time of purchase, and those one-way prices were available to the purchaser, perhaps. It's the open ended and opaque nature of airline pricing that seems to me to make this look very slippery, especially if these tickets are sold to consumers.
On a separate point, many one way fares do not allow themselves to be used for historical repricing of flown sectors. Many of BA's fares now include the condition that "FARES ONLY APPLY IF PURCHASED BEFORE DEPARTURE." After the sector is flown you essentially have an empty tariff with no price for that leg.
Originally Posted by wandering_fred
(Post 27516239)
The other take could be - if the sum of the one way fares exceed the value of the originally purchased xONEx - then the ticket can not be cancelled/refunded and no money is refunded/asked for from the customer.
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Mileage Monkey Says this is a valid xDONEx routing, is it really valid?
Can anyone help me? Is the following a valid xDONEx routing?
CAI-oLHR-ARN-LHR-MEX-oMIA-JFK-LAX-HNL-NRT-HKG-MLE-HKG-BOM-DOH-DXB Thanks in advance |
Just to be clear, the notation is o for stopover and x for transit. You are only stopping in London and Miami, and the rest are transits?
Assuming you have that the wrong way round then it looks OK to me. |
Thanks Chris
Sorry just read your previous replies, Im getting some grief with the interpretation of flying the same airline pairs twice on the xONEx fare, mileage monkey says the routing works, but I still need to understand why its the particular CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR- segments and the -oHKG-oMLE-oHKG- segments are valid, so I can try to explain to the airline to issue my ticket. Thanks CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR-oMEX-oMIA-oJFK-oLAX-oHNL-oNRT-oHKG-oMLE-oHKG-oBOM-oDOH-oDXB |
The full rules are here: http://www.oneworld.com/documents/10...9-d346ec820edf
The restriction on city pairs is "The same city pairs/sectors cannot be flown more than once in the same direction". You don't breach that rule. (It wasn't there in the dim and distant past, so I did HKG-NRT-HKG-NRT-HKG as my Asia segments many years ago, but that wouldn't be allowed now.) |
Originally Posted by TiredDoc
(Post 27529307)
Thanks Chris
Sorry just read your previous replies, Im getting some grief with the interpretation of flying the same airline pairs twice on the xONEx fare, mileage monkey says the routing works, but I still need to understand why its the particular CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR- segments and the -oHKG-oMLE-oHKG- segments are valid, so I can try to explain to the airline to issue my ticket. Thanks CAI-xLHR-oARN-oLHR-oMEX-oMIA-oJFK-oLAX-oHNL-oNRT-oHKG-oMLE-oHKG-oBOM-oDOH-oDXB Your continent of origin is Europe/Middle East and you have three stopovers there - ARN, LHR and DOH (your final destination - DXB - does not count as a stopover) So one of those three will have to become a transit. From a true FTer point of view however:
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Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 27529859)
Your routing is valid, but you are violating one little rule - "Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin"
Your continent of origin is Europe/Middle East and you have three stopovers there - ARN, LHR and DOH (your final destination - DXB - does not count as a stopover) So one of those three will have to become a transit. From a true FTer point of view however:
DOH-DXB will be in F on a J ticket. The other routings would not be. Depending on the airmiles scheme this can be more valuable than the actual distance, particularly in comparison with AMM-DXB. HEL-DXB is (on some days of the week) a seven hour night flight operated in a Euro short haul config. It should be avoided at all costs. LHR-DXB may incur an additional fuel surcharge, depending on who is plating the ticket. :) |
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