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Dr. HFH Dec 6, 2018 6:45 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30507235)
YQ

... is less on BA than on QR?

pbd456 Dec 6, 2018 7:28 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30507293)
... is less on BA than on QR?

depending on plating carrier.

Dr. HFH Dec 6, 2018 7:58 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30507412)
depending on plating carrier.

On what plating carriers is BA less than QR?

Calchas Dec 7, 2018 9:35 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 30507216)
I'm unclear how BA benefits from eliminating A inventory. I understand that BA can easily say that Axxx fares now book into F, and that maintains the price discrimination and RM's ability to set the Axxx availability as they wish, but I don't see how this benefits BA (it keeps things as they are). Allowing AONEx fares to book into F would be nice for us, but means that if there's an F seat for sale, it can be booked with a (potentially cheap) AONEx fare, whereas as it is they can set A lower than F.

I think the intention is you will need availability in both F and A to book a first class A fare.

I suspect “A” will eventually become primarily a mid tier business class bucket, except for dual-inventory A fares which allow booking into F if there is space in the A bucket and the F bucket.

Similar logic to the “instant upgrade” fares that are common in North America.

I don’t see it as a nefarious move. The main thing that should concern us is not that this is an attempt to remove AONEx flyers, rather that BA might not treat the AONEx product range as a high priority.

skunker Dec 12, 2018 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30507219)
OTOH.... On DXB, why would someone not use QR, with an infinitely better product, both hard and soft. I even greatly prefer the QR J product (both 359 and QSuite) to BA F.

And on BOS, I always fly LHR/LAX between LHR and the U.S. to get the increased mileage earning on a single segment.

You're not getting to DXB on QR due to the embargo. So, if someone needs to go to the UAE, then QR isn't an option.

Dr. HFH Dec 12, 2018 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 30529063)
You're not getting to DXB on QR due to the embargo. So, if someone needs to go to the UAE, then QR isn't an option.

Oh, right. forgot. :eek:

Calchas Dec 16, 2018 3:12 am

I'm not sure which thread I should post this in, but AA, IB, JL, CX, QF and probably all other oneworld carriers except BA now allow (in fact, require) the use of the F bucket, not the A bucket, on the AONEx products on BA flights on LON-DXB and LON-BOS.

e.g.,

Code:

>$LB14/BA                                                     
014 LONLON 16DEC18 AA GBP 9595.00 AONE3    STAY---/12MBK-A   
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
AONE3    FIRST CLASS AROUND THE WORLD FARES        A         
AONE3    APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES                       
AONE3    FOR ADULT                                           
                                                             
BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS FOR CARRIER: BA                       
  VIA BA                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                              4130-4149                     
  VIA BA                      NO BOOKING CODE DATA EXISTS  FLTS
                              4550-4579                     
IF VIA AA                      A- FARES                       
  VIA BA  F    REQUIRED      BETWEEN LON-DXB               
IF VIA AA                      A- FARES                       
  VIA BA  F    REQUIRED      BETWEEN LON-BOS

The exception actually comes in as a common override for all "A-" fares including travel on BA flights; it isn't specific to the AONEx product.

This also prevents the usual rule for downgrading to D, E, L or Y if those classes are full or unavailable for booking, so the exception may be reworded.

BA has touched their table but not yet in a useful way.

Calchas Jan 1, 2019 11:22 am

BA now also requires use of F class on those flights which no longer have A class under their implementation of the AONEx product.

Code:

>$LB14                                                       
                                                        HISTORY
014 LONLON 01JAN19 BA GBP 9595.00 AONE3    STAY---/12MBK-A   
FARE CLS  EXPLANATION                            BOOK CODES   
--------  ----------------------                ----------   
AONE3    FIRST CLASS AROUND THE WORLD FARES        A         
AONE3    APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES                       
                                                             
 BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS                                     
  VIA BA  F    REQUIRED      A- FARES  BETWEEN LON-DXB     
                              19DEC18-31DEC20               
  VIA BA  F    REQUIRED      A- FARES  BETWEEN LON-BOS     
                              19DEC18-31DEC20               
  VIA BA  A    REQUIRED      WHEN AVAILABLE  ALL FIRST
(snipped)

I would expect this change to be formally incorporated into the rules soon enough.

anabolism Jan 1, 2019 12:22 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 30595798)
Code:

VIA BA A REQUIRED WHEN AVAILABLE ALL FIRST

What does "A required when available" mean? If the flight sells A, then book into A? I'm trying to understand this line in the context of following the two route-specific exceptions.

Calchas Jan 1, 2019 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 30596018)
What does "A required when available" mean? If the flight sells A, then book into A? I'm trying to understand this line in the context of following the two route-specific exceptions.

You read the table from the top down, stopping when a rule applies.

"A REQUIRED WHEN AVAILABLE" means that if the flight has A class and has space in A class, then the fare must be booked into A class (unless a rule further up the table already took precedence). If the flight has no A class, or if A is 0, then you can continue down the table.

If you wanted to restrict it book into A if A is ever sold on the flight, and not allow the passenger to downgrade into a different bucket if A is full, the wording is "A REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED".

[This is actually a human-readable interpretation of a set of logic rules. The computer doesn't read the table exactly when it wants to book a passenger into a bucket, but it gets the information from the same place as the table is constructed.]

By the way, I actually dug out the ATPCO documentation that describes the format of this table. The document is literally 272 pages long: just for the RBD table, just to describe the data format for allowing a fare to define which classes it books into. So don't feel too bad that it isn't obvious how it works. :)

nologic Jan 1, 2019 3:40 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 30596147)
You read the table from the top down, stopping when a rule applies.

"A REQUIRED WHEN AVAILABLE" means that if the flight has A class and has space in A class, then the fare must be booked into A class (unless a rule further up the table already took precedence). If the flight has no A class, or if A is 0, then you can continue down the table.

If you wanted to restrict it book into A if A is ever sold on the flight, and not allow the passenger to downgrade into a different bucket if A is full, the wording is "A REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED".

[This is actually a human-readable interpretation of a set of logic rules. The computer doesn't read the table exactly when it wants to book a passenger into a bucket, but it gets the information from the same place as the table is constructed.]

By the way, I actually dug out the ATPCO documentation that describes the format of this table. The document is literally 272 pages long: just for the RBD table, just to describe the data format for allowing a fare to define which classes it books into. So don't feel too bad that it isn't obvious how it works. :)

Can you please interpret this in simpler English as Lon-Bos seems to be one of the sectors.

Is this a more restrictive interpretation/policy for BA than all other Oneworld carriers?

Calchas Jan 2, 2019 7:32 am


Originally Posted by nologic (Post 30596613)
Can you please interpret this in simpler English as Lon-Bos seems to be one of the sectors.

Is this a more restrictive interpretation/policy for BA than all other Oneworld carriers?

All of the oneworld carriers I checked now require you to book into F class on a BA-marketed flight between London and Boston under the AONEx fares.

Previously you booked into A, but could downgrade to D, E, L or Y (in that order). Not that you would.

Kiwi Flyer Jan 5, 2019 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by nologic (Post 30596613)
Is this a more restrictive interpretation/policy for BA than all other Oneworld carriers?

Isn't it less restrictive since can book into F which generally has better availability than A?

Leaping_Deere Jan 24, 2019 12:39 am

I have booked a rtw ticket last night one the OW rtw website and will be calling BA today to pay.

I now want to make a couple of changes to the flights, not just dates/time but location.

Can I do this for free because I haven't paid for it or does it count as issued once its created and I would have to pay a fee?

pandaperth Jan 24, 2019 1:51 am


Originally Posted by Leaping_Deere (Post 30693637)
I have booked a rtw ticket last night one the OW rtw website and will be calling BA today to pay.

I now want to make a couple of changes to the flights, not just dates/time but location.

Can I do this for free because I haven't paid for it or does it count as issued once its created and I would have to pay a fee?

Your itinerary has not yet been ticketed (this will not happen until after you have paid)
Any changes you make before ticketing are free of charge
BA might charge you a service fee for making your changes - I don't know they do or not


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