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The general question is when to believe L/D/A availability via EF. For those who have an ex-SEZ ticket in hand and plan to revise it after the 1st flown segment, what is the POS, SEZ or where the ticket is reissued? skunker stated that there was D available, yet had to enter the entire itinerary to reissue which caused D class to show 0.
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 30482936)
Sure, -- sorry for the delay in replying. It happened to me twice, both transcons. One LAX-BOS and one LAX-JFK. Although D (to BOS) and A (to JFK) showed available on EF, and the agent was also able to see that they were available, he was still unable to book them. In both cases, he circumvented the problem by booking them as QF codeshares.
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Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 30483554)
Does this mean that any checking on EF must have SEZ set as POS?
Originally Posted by headinclouds
(Post 30483554)
How does one get a QF codeshare in the USA unless you are arriving into LAX on QF?
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Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 30485547)
I'm confused. You were trying to book a RTW that had both LAX-BOS and LAX-JFK in it?
Actually, I've done multiple transcons twice before. Once was a LAX-RDU-LAX same day turn when AA first started the service before RDU was added to the list of east coast cities in the rules, and later the same thing with LAX-MBJ-LAX, another same day turn. |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 30485862)
Two different ones
Because EF pulls from the presumably same GDS data as an agent booking an RTW, I'm trying to understand where people have experienced the discrepancy. We've all seen many cases of married segment logic where D is not available on a set of flights booked as a connection, or where D is available from one point of sale but not for another, but reportedly neither is the case here. |
Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 30485933)
So, if I may ask, what were the specific sets of flights where EF showed D available yet an agent saw D0 when trying to book into an RTW?
Because EF pulls from the presumably same GDS data as an agent booking an RTW, I'm trying to understand where people have experienced the discrepancy. We've all seen many cases of married segment logic where D is not available on a set of flights booked as a connection, or where D is available from one point of sale but not for another, but reportedly neither is the case here. Here is one situation that I encountered. I tried to add SCL IPC to my DONEx via CX HKG. no D space (via HKG POS EF).. however there is D space when US POS is set on EF. I called CX north America and able to get the space. (I asked the CX North America and they told me the use the availability from North America in their North American system). |
Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 30481179)
Why would BA be unable to price an RTW with AA North American segments? That sounds very unlikely. BA typically requires that the first intercontinental flight have a BA code, but why would BA have an issue with AA segments within a continent?
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Originally Posted by Leaping_Deere
(Post 30482771)
I want two separate flights because I have a meeting in Charlotte before flying onto SDF so I need a 9-10 hour layover to allow for travel and meeting.
I did try and move the first flight to AA rather than BA (first flight of ticket is LHR-YYZ) but it still came up with same results. |
Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 30485933)
So, if I may ask, what were the specific sets of flights where EF showed D available yet an agent saw D0 when trying to book into an RTW?
1. 20 February 2019, AA 274 LAX-JFK 1200-2025 STILL shows A6. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as QF 3101. 2. 9 April 2019, AA 256 LAX-ORD 0920-1507 NOW shows D0, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 4372. 3. 9 April 2019, AA 2364 ORD-LAX 1710-1931 NOW shows D1, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 4349. 4. 10 April 2019, AA 167 LAX-BOS 0830-1716 NOW shows D0, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 2500. |
Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 30486053)
Here are the details, slightly different from what I said, but same principle. That will teach me to try to do things from memory!!
1. 20 February 2019, AA 274 LAX-JFK 1200-2025 STILL shows A6. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as QF 3101. 2. 9 April 2019, AA 256 LAX-ORD 0920-1507 NOW shows D0, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 4372. 3. 9 April 2019, AA 2364 ORD-LAX 1710-1931 NOW shows D1, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 4349. 4. 10 April 2019, AA 167 LAX-BOS 0830-1716 NOW shows D0, but was D7 when I was booking it. Agent was unable to sell it on the AA number, but got it for me as BA 2500. I'm just trying to understand what are the reported instances where EF's data is different from that of the agent booking the RTW. Different points of sale (as with pbd456's case) are already something we know about here. Married-segment logic is also well-known here. |
Originally Posted by anabolism
(Post 30488153)
In each of these four cases, did you check EF using the same point-of-sale as the agent booking your RTW? In each of the four cases, was there 24 hours or more before and after the flight in question?
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 30482080)
If you can stick it out, you'll find that you can save thousands of dollars per ticket, depending on how and where you travel. You'll also find those who know about these fares happy to assist. And, trust me, you will need assistance with your first one, at least, as you've already discovered.
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
(Post 30486022)
I believe [MENTION=794258]Leaping_Deere[/MENTION] was talking about nesting another ticket within the RTW and wanted to keep everything in one PNR. If the other ticket is on AA flights, BA would not be able to issue it on its plate in a BA-created PNR unless one is using the oneworld Visit North America fare.
It’s in line with the policy on the usage of 125 stock, which, separately from tickets containing BA flights, also allows it to be used on itineraries containing only AA, AY, EI, IB, JL, and/or VY flights. Most (but not all) AA fares can be issued by BA. The "instant upgrade" domestic fares usually must be issued on 001 AA stock. However, many BA staff do not know this or do not want to do it. |
Originally Posted by Calchas
(Post 30490475)
BA can and do issue fully AA itineraries on 125 stock. (I have plenty of personal experience.)
It’s in line with the policy on the usage of 125 stock, which, separately from tickets containing BA flights, also allows it to be used on itineraries containing only AA, AY, EI, IB, JL, and/or VY flights. Most (but not all) AA fares can be issued by BA. The "instant upgrade" domestic fares usually must be issued on 001 AA stock. However, many BA staff do not know this or do not want to do it. Code:
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
(Post 30488791)
Just checked again, changed it to Australia, and AA 274 LAX-JFK on 20 February 2019 still shows A6.
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