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anabolism May 10, 2018 6:07 pm


Originally Posted by dave_in_gva (Post 29738290)
Hello,

I have an upcoming business trip that will require me to make a round the world routing. Our travel agent here at work currently has recognized it will be a round the world routing but plans on issuing 3 separate tickets (Qatar, Cathay and Air Canada).

I would like to have it all booked with OW carriers to maximize my tier points and also to "sell" it to our travel agent as hopefully being a cheaper option than what they are currently quoting (which is about CHF 8400 in business).

The basics of the routing are:

GVA-HAN (currently booked as via DOH on QR which is fine)
HAN-SYD (currently booked as via HKG on CX, also fine)
SYD-YYC (currently booked via YVR on AC which is the problem)
YYC-YTO (currently on AC, also a problem)
YTO-GVA (currently on AC, also a problem)

I've seen some of the more desirable routings getting me from SYD-YYC on OW carriers are:
Via SFO on QF then WS - the BA Avios flight calculator indicates I get neither tier points nor Avios for the WestJet segment from SFO-YYC
Via SFO and SEA on QF then AS for the last two segments - I believe this would get me Avios only for the Alaskan Airlines segments
Via NRT and YVR on JL then WS - flight routing here is 3.5 hours longer but I would get 280 tier points for the two long haul Japan Airlines flights, then nothing on the WestJet flight

Any recommendations on how I should play this with our travel agent? To be honest I am not even sure if they are eligible to purchase the OW RTW ticket for us. In any event, all suggestions on how I can maximize the benefit of this for my OW tier point balance gratefully received.

A four continent (Europe, Asia, Australia/Pacific, North America) business class RTW on OW is 9700 CHF base fare, plus taxes and carrier-imposed fees. So I don't think it's going to be a cheaper option. If you get yourself to OSL to start, it drops the base fare to 7169 CHF.

You can route SYD-DFW-YYC on QF and AA (or QF and a QF code for the AA metal).

For YYC-YTO, you could route on AA YYC-DFW-YTO but you'd have to overnight in DFW.

For YTO-GVA, you can route on BA via LHR. Although it'd be a nicer flight to route on AA YTO-LAX-LHR and then BA LHR-GVA. You'd get the much better AA J seats on a longer LAX-LHR flight.

Dr. HFH May 31, 2018 4:05 pm

EF is not showing AONEx fares. I tried ex-LHR, ex-NRT and ex-JNB. They're just not there. Any ideas?

Edited to add: Just tried a few more quickly, BKK and HKG, and noticed that DONEx fares are also gone.

anabolism May 31, 2018 6:26 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29814881)
EF is not showing AONEx fares. I tried ex-LHR, ex-NRT and ex-JNB. They're just not there. Any ideas?

Edited to add: Just tried a few more quickly, BKK and HKG, and noticed that DONEx fares are also gone.

Are you searching for more than one airline's fares? Try it with only one.

Although it shows me fares even searching multiple airlines:

Results from https://www.ExpertFlyer.com
Code:

Fare Information Search:

Departing NRT on 07/01/18 for NRT
Flying BA AA JL
Viewing in currency USD
Validated Results

Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
LAS13 BA L Round-Trip 2444.81 (USD) E 05 / 12M
LAS13 JL L Round-Trip 2444.81 (USD) E 05 / 12M
LAS17 BA L Round-Trip 2849.21 (USD) E 05 / 12M
LAS17 JL L Round-Trip 2849.21 (USD) E 05 / 12M
LONE3 AA L Round-Trip 3078.99 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE3 BA L Round-Trip 3078.99 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE3 JL L Round-Trip 3078.99 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONEWC3 BA L Round-Trip 3078.99 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONEWC3 JL L Round-Trip 3078.99 (USD) E -- / 12M
LCIR22 AA L Round-Trip 3216.85 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR22 BA L Round-Trip 3216.85 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR22 JL L Round-Trip 3216.85 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LGLOB29 AA L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB29 BA L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB29 JL L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE4 AA L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE4 BA L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE4 JL L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONEWC4 BA L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONEWC4 JL L Round-Trip 3259.13 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB34 AA L Round-Trip 3849.19 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB34 BA L Round-Trip 3849.19 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB34 JL L Round-Trip 3849.19 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE5 AA L Round-Trip 3849.19 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE5 BA L Round-Trip 3849.19 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE5 JL L Round-Trip 3849.19 (USD) E -- / 12M
LCIR26 AA L Round-Trip 3851.03 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR26 BA L Round-Trip 3851.03 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR26 JL L Round-Trip 3851.03 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR29SA AA L Round-Trip 4121.24 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR29SA BA L Round-Trip 4121.24 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LCIR29SA JL L Round-Trip 4121.24 (USD) E 10 / 12M
LGLOB39 AA L Round-Trip 4457.64 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB39 BA L Round-Trip 4457.64 (USD) E -- / 12M
LGLOB39 JL L Round-Trip 4457.64 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE6 AA L Round-Trip 4457.64 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE6 BA L Round-Trip 4457.64 (USD) E -- / 12M
LONE6 JL L Round-Trip 4457.64 (USD) E -- / 12M
DAS13 BA D Round-Trip 4816.08 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DAS13 JL D Round-Trip 4816.08 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DAS17 BA D Round-Trip 5634.08 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DAS17 JL D Round-Trip 5634.08 (USD) B 03 / 12M
DONE3 AA D Round-Trip 6032.05 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE3 BA D Round-Trip 6032.05 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE3 JL D Round-Trip 6032.05 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONEWC3 BA D Round-Trip 6032.05 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONEWC3 JL D Round-Trip 6032.05 (USD) B -- / 12M
DCIR22 AA D Round-Trip 6157.97 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR22 BA D Round-Trip 6157.97 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR22 JL D Round-Trip 6157.97 (USD) B 05 / 12M
AAS13 BA A Round-Trip 6902.44 (USD) F 03 / 12M
AAS13 JL A Round-Trip 6902.44 (USD) F 03 / 12M
DGLOB34 AA D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DGLOB34 BA D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DGLOB34 JL D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE4 AA D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE4 BA D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE4 JL D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONEWC4 BA D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONEWC4 JL D Round-Trip 7172.66 (USD) B -- / 12M
DCIR26 AA D Round-Trip 7380.37 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR26 BA D Round-Trip 7380.37 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR26 JL D Round-Trip 7380.37 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR29SA AA D Round-Trip 7897.83 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR29SA BA D Round-Trip 7897.83 (USD) B 05 / 12M
DCIR29SA JL D Round-Trip 7897.83 (USD) B 05 / 12M
AAS17 BA A Round-Trip 7959.41 (USD) F 03 / 12M
AAS17 JL A Round-Trip 7959.41 (USD) F 03 / 12M
DONE5 AA D Round-Trip 8227.78 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE5 BA D Round-Trip 8227.78 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE5 JL D Round-Trip 8227.78 (USD) B -- / 12M
ACIR22 AA A Round-Trip 8906.08 (USD) F 05 / 12M
ACIR22 BA A Round-Trip 8906.08 (USD) F 05 / 12M
ACIR22 JL A Round-Trip 8906.08 (USD) F 05 / 12M
DONE6 AA D Round-Trip 8990.64 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE6 BA D Round-Trip 8990.64 (USD) B -- / 12M
DONE6 JL D Round-Trip 8990.64 (USD) B -- / 12M
AONE3 AA A Round-Trip 9221.33 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE3 BA A Round-Trip 9221.33 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE3 JL A Round-Trip 9221.33 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONEWC3 BA A Round-Trip 9221.33 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONEWC3 JL A Round-Trip 9221.33 (USD) F -- / 12M
ACIR26 AA A Round-Trip 10689.13 (USD) F 05 / 12M
ACIR26 BA A Round-Trip 10689.13 (USD) F 05 / 12M
ACIR26 JL A Round-Trip 10689.13 (USD) F 05 / 12M
AGLOB34 AA A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AGLOB34 BA A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AGLOB34 JL A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE4 AA A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE4 BA A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE4 JL A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONEWC4 BA A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONEWC4 JL A Round-Trip 10868.36 (USD) F -- / 12M
ACIR29SA AA A Round-Trip 11438.20 (USD) F 05 / 12M
ACIR29SA BA A Round-Trip 11438.20 (USD) F 05 / 12M
ACIR29SA JL A Round-Trip 11438.20 (USD) F 05 / 12M
AONE5 AA A Round-Trip 12593.51 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE5 BA A Round-Trip 12593.51 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE5 JL A Round-Trip 12593.51 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE6 AA A Round-Trip 13741.46 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE6 BA A Round-Trip 13741.46 (USD) F -- / 12M
AONE6 JL A Round-Trip 13741.46 (USD) F -- / 12M


pandaperth Jun 1, 2018 3:10 am

EF seems to be having a bit of trouble displaying fares when more than one airline is specified
It has also been reported in a recent thread regarding RTW fares out of SEZ

Probably better to report this in the appropriate EF thread, rather than in this RTW FAQ thread (which I have just done - see https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29816432-post1707.html)

Full Score Jun 3, 2018 5:57 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29814881)
EF is not showing AONEx fares. I tried ex-LHR, ex-NRT and ex-JNB. They're just not there. Any ideas?

Try leaving the following fields empty - it works for me ex-LHR, ex-OSL, ex-JNB:

Purchasing City
Return Date
Ticketing Date
Class Code
Fare Basis Code
Show Fares for All Travel Dates

TiredDoc Jul 12, 2018 10:52 pm

DONEX fares ex CGK?
 
/posted in wrong thread
apoligies

andreiz Jul 28, 2018 1:41 am

Hello,

I am in the middle of the DONE4 itinerary shown below. The italicized portion has been completed and it's currently on pause at DFW.

AMM-xDOH-xORD-AUS-JFK-LAX-xDFW-PDX-DFW-ICN-KUL-NRT-CMB-PVG-xDOH-JNB-DOH

I am trying to optimize the remaining segments to obtain as many EQMs on AA as possible, while visiting Asia and South Africa. I'd like to visit Bali and Vietnam, but I think those can be done outside the itinerary as cheap flights from KUL. I am also staying away from India on this trip due to having to get a visa, etc. The routing shown is the best one I could come up with while staying on nice equipment such as DFW-ICN on AA 787-9 and PVG-DOH on QR Qsuites. Any comments or suggestions on how to improve this?

pbd456 Jul 28, 2018 2:44 am

you need to make up your mind if you want EQM or nice equipment?

dfw hkg cmb nrt cmb hkg lhr cpt doh.

if u want qsuites. you can do
dfw hkg cmb nrt cmb lhr doh cpt doh

andreiz Jul 28, 2018 6:22 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30021360)
you need to make up your mind if you want EQM or nice equipment?

dfw hkg cmb nrt cmb hkg lhr cpt doh.

if u want qsuites. you can do
dfw hkg cmb nrt cmb lhr doh cpt doh

EQM is more important, but trying to balance the two.

Is LHR a transit point (cannot stopover) in this case?

pbd456 Jul 28, 2018 7:23 am

Eqm is the same whether u transit or stopover

andreiz Jul 28, 2018 11:06 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30021778)
Eqm is the same whether u transit or stopover

Right, I forgot that Europe and ME are considered the same continent, so I can do a stopover in London as long as I finish the itinerary in ME.

andreiz Jul 28, 2018 2:48 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30021360)
you need to make up your mind if you want EQM or nice equipment?

dfw hkg cmb nrt cmb hkg lhr cpt doh.

if u want qsuites. you can do
dfw hkg cmb nrt cmb lhr doh cpt doh

So, the online tool doesn't like this routing. I get an error saying:

You have exceeded the allowable number of arrivals/departures between Europe/Middle East and Africa. A transfer without stopover is not allowed. Choose another route and update your itinerary.

By my count there's only one arrival into Africa (DOH-CPT) and one departure (CPT-DOH). Any ideas?

Mwenenzi Jul 28, 2018 7:21 pm


Originally Posted by andreiz (Post 30022848)
So, the online tool doesn't like this routing. I get an error saying:

You have exceeded the allowable number of arrivals/departures between Europe/Middle East and Africa. A transfer without stopover is not allowed. Choose another route and update your itinerary.

By my count there's only one arrival into Africa (DOH-CPT) and one departure (CPT-DOH). Any ideas?

What about "AMM-xDOH-xORD-......??

For AA have you considering what can be earnt on AA on RTW tickets?May or may not apply to you

Dr. HFH Jul 28, 2018 8:12 pm


Originally Posted by andreiz (Post 30022848)
So, the online tool doesn't like this routing. I get an error saying:

You have exceeded the allowable number of arrivals/departures between Europe/Middle East and Africa. A transfer without stopover is not allowed. Choose another route and update your itinerary.

By my count there's only one arrival into Africa (DOH-CPT) and one departure (CPT-DOH). Any ideas?

The online tool doesn't like many things that are permitted by the rules. I hadn't bothered with it in years until last week when I thought that I'd give it another try. Same problem. Called AA RTW desk and explained what had happened. AAgent's response? Don't waste your time with the online tool. It never works correctly.

pbd456 Jul 28, 2018 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by andreiz (Post 30022848)
So, the online tool doesn't like this routing. I get an error saying:

You have exceeded the allowable number of arrivals/departures between Europe/Middle East and Africa. A transfer without stopover is not allowed. Choose another route and update your itinerary.

By my count there's only one arrival into Africa (DOH-CPT) and one departure (CPT-DOH). Any ideas?

if you want to maximize the fare, you need to understand the fare rule.

what make you suddenly want to maximize the EQM as it doesnt seem that you care for your first half of the RTW?
I think the rule is about Europe. you are doing Europe - US - Asia - Europe - Africa - Europe.

Normally, you can only enter and exit a continent once, but it is an exception that have been discussed, and the fare rule is quite clear (if I remember after the Dec 16 update) about this situation.


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