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pandaperth Oct 26, 2014 6:44 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 23739862)
So I could book QF 3 SYDHNL as AA 7359, that would be sufficient? (Better for me actually as I get nearly twice the Avios points that way.)

Yes. that will be sufficient

Himeno Oct 26, 2014 9:00 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 23739749)
At this point my itinerary probably only includes HNL-LAX-PHX on AA. (For now I will assume that US flights don't qualify.)

From what AA SFO told me today, the US code will cease in April. Already most (all??) US and AA flights have the same flight numbers, just codeshared as needed. (eg, US5537 codeshared AA5537)


I have a few US-operated flights and probably BA 2 that could conceivably be taken as codeshares with AA, if that makes any difference. (And indeed if codesharing is even permitted.)
AA will take codeshares. They don't care if all 6 possible north american flights are on AA codes, they look for an AA code on the Asia/SWP-North America, North-South America and/or North America-Europe sectors.

Most likely reason is that the intercontinental segments are worth more of the ticket cut then the intracontinental segments. (eg, the cut of the ticket price paid out to each airline for a JFK-LHR is more then a BOS-LAX flight)

pandaperth Oct 26, 2014 9:16 pm


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 23740759)
Most likely reason is that the intercontinental segments are worth more of the ticket cut then the intracontinental segments. (eg, the cut of the ticket price paid out to each airline for a JFK-LHR is more then a BOS-LAX flight)

Yes, I agree

but this brought to mind our experience two years ago:
- used the AA RTW desk to set up our ex-KRT DONE4 tickets
- paid for them through a Canadian travel agent (all-in cost under USD4000 each)
- the only AA flight on the itinerary was its codeshare on RJ's AMM-JFK flight

- just a few weeks later, there was a schedule change
- and when AA changed the ticket, it quietly moved us off the AA codeshare onto the RJ marketed for that flight
- I guess AA realised just how little it was going to make off that flight:D

- so we ended up with the ticket on AA stock, with no AA segments at all!

jacalata Oct 27, 2014 1:49 am

Hi all, I have priced out an LONEX ex-Australia for May 2015, and I am looking for any obvious savings or better routings/carriers for logging miles to American (unless there is a way to log to Alaska?), plus assistance with a couple niggling problems. I am open to changing all routes, my primary itinerary is MEL, SCL(IPC), LON, SIN, HKG, MEL, with a lot of surface travel on each continent.

MEL-SYD QF
SYD-SCL QF (Cannot find any flights when I try MEL-SCL, also hard to find availability SYD-SCL without hitting North America)
SCL-IPC LAN
IPC SCL LAN
SAO-LON BA
IST-DOH QR
DOH-SIN QR
HKG-MEL CX

Total USD$4635, 11 segments.

If there were a country in eastern Asia with a significantly cheaper base fare I would be happy to book from there instead. (I am actually starting in Seattle, will fly to my start point). This fare was generated by creating the itinerary directly at rtw.oneworld.com - I did notice that after I opened the rtw tool through Qantas.com, the base fare on my existing open tab jumped by about $1500. When I opened a new browser and reopened my saved itinerary, it showed the original price. What is going on there, Qantas fees getting hidden in there? Is this what it will charge me when I actually put in my CC#? (summary page with qantas logo showed cheaper fare).

Sao Paulo - I am not attached to this over Rio, but it seemed easier to find availability to London. I can switch the BA flight to TAM for ~$250 less fees, don't know if that's worth it - seems to be a fair amount of complaining about TAM? I would like to add a flight from Porto Alegre to Sao Paulo but for some reason Porto Alegre does not show up in the booking tool (although it is shown in the Oneworld Timetables app…?).

I will be making a few short-haul flights around both Europe and Asia during my surface segments but I haven't got specific destinations yet and expect it will be cheaper to buy them separately anyway. (eg adding London-Geneva adds USD$110, I'm confident I can book that for less).

thanks for any suggestions!

creampuff Oct 27, 2014 2:54 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23739729)
Yes, such changes are free of charge. However the airline making the change is allowed to charge a service fee (I know QF does charge this, and I also know AA does not charge it)

There is a special rule regarding changing the first segment (before departure obviously) - but other than that, changes to date/time/oneworld carrier are free of charge

Say for the sake of argument I changed my SYD-NRT flight from JAL to Qantas. Even is the airline change is free of charge, presumably JAL and Qantas have different fuel surcharges and the originally ticketed JAL fuel surcharge would have been included in the total ticket price?

Calchas Oct 27, 2014 3:03 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23740810)
Yes, I agree

but this brought to mind our experience two years ago:
- used the AA RTW desk to set up our ex-KRT DONE4 tickets
- paid for them through a Canadian travel agent (all-in cost under USD4000 each)
- the only AA flight on the itinerary was its codeshare on RJ's AMM-JFK flight

- just a few weeks later, there was a schedule change
- and when AA changed the ticket, it quietly moved us off the AA codeshare onto the RJ marketed for that flight
- I guess AA realised just how little it was going to make off that flight:D

- so we ended up with the ticket on AA stock, with no AA segments at all!

^ Thanks for the information.

creampuff Oct 27, 2014 4:00 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23740810)
- paid for them through a Canadian travel agent (all-in cost under USD4000 each)

That is an exceptionally good price for a DONEx ticket :)

pandaperth Oct 27, 2014 6:19 am


Originally Posted by creampuff (Post 23741835)
That is an exceptionally good price for a DONEx ticket :)

Correction. That was a very, very good price for a DONE4
Bought it in October 2012. On Nov 1st the price went through the roof:(

The base fare for a DONE4 was SDG14700 (approx USD2600)

Of course, you realise we had to go to KRT to start the journey!

Edited to add:
Just remembered that I had the old fares stored away

The base fare for an ex-KRT AONE6 was only SDG26,500 (approx USD4700)
Makes me want to weep

creampuff Oct 27, 2014 7:52 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23742217)
Just remembered that I had the old fares stored away

The base fare for an ex-KRT AONE6 was only SDG26,500 (approx USD4700)
Makes me want to weep

Pass me a phone book; I want to bang my head with it for not taking another RTW trip a few years ago!

Just paid for my ex-JNB DONE6 ticket this morning with the AA GSA in Cape Town.

EDIT: What has happened to xONEx tickets out of KRT (other than going to Sudan perhaps not being a good idea at the moment)? I can't see any xONEx tickets at all ex-KRT. I can see xONEWCx tickets though with a DONEWC4 at $2579 and Air Berlin is the only airline coming up with a price.

Edit 2: It seems to be OK to go to Khartoum with the unsafe areas located to the west and south. With a DONEWC4 at $2579 I think I can see a future holiday in Sudan coming up........

skunker Oct 27, 2014 9:42 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23742217)
Correction. That was a very, very good price for a DONE4
Bought it in October 2012. On Nov 1st the price went through the roof:(
The base fare for a DONE4 was SDG14700 (approx USD2600)

Of course, you realise we had to go to KRT to start the journey!

Edited to add:
Just remembered that I had the old fares stored away

The base fare for an ex-KRT AONE6 was only SDG26,500 (approx USD4700)
Makes me want to weep

No it didn't. It is gone now, but did not go away when you state it did. :D

Gardyloo Oct 27, 2014 11:21 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 23739862)
So I could book QF 3 SYDHNL as AA 7359, that would be sufficient? (Better for me actually as I get nearly twice the Avios points that way.)

You might not be able to book the AA code on the QF flight if you're stopping over in Hawaii. Strange things, codeshares. Nonetheless I suspect you'll have no problems with AA issuing the ticket. I've had AA-issued DONExs that only contained domestic AA segments, nothing over-water. No big.

Calchas Oct 27, 2014 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 23744020)
You might not be able to book the AA code on the QF flight if you're stopping over in Hawaii. Strange things, codeshares. Nonetheless I suspect you'll have no problems with AA issuing the ticket. I've had AA-issued DONExs that only contained domestic AA segments, nothing over-water. No big.

It's bookable as a standalone flight. But who knows. :)

pandaperth Oct 27, 2014 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 23743322)
No it didn't. It is gone now, but did not go away when you state it did. :D

You are right, I had forgotten that;)
But IIRC, the first inter-continental flight had to be with Air Berlin:)

AB still publishes xONEWC fares out of KRT, but how to book them is the challenge
And, at least according to EF, no other airlines publish RTW or multi-continent fares ex-KRT

skunker Oct 27, 2014 8:28 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23746001)
You are right, I had forgotten that;)
But IIRC, the first inter-continental flight had to be with Air Berlin:)

AB still publishes xONEWC fares out of KRT, but how to book them is the challenge
And, at least according to EF, no other airlines publish RTW or multi-continent fares ex-KRT

You are correct. Using the online tool you had to use AB for the first inter-continental leg, but since I used RJ for the first leg it crapped out when AA tried to ticket. AA ended up putting me on their code for the same flight. Alas, I had to cancel the night before flying to KRT as my son was in the hospital with pneumonia. When I called to change the flights they wanted another $5,500! :eek: Ending up getting a full refund though.

I have called AB and they do not issue the tickets in question, they will refer you to the online tool for xONEx and don't know what the xONEWC are. Maybe someone who spoke German would have better luck, but it didn't sound as though AB had a dedicated RTW desk or anyone that understood the fares. Hence the pricing irregularities. :D

747-444 Oct 28, 2014 12:54 am

DONEWC3
 
Greetings,

I know that OneWorld have previously viewed a JNB-LHR-DXB/HKG (transit) - SYD-JNB as a DONEWC4 ticket.

Have they updated their terms and conditions to reflect it as a DONEWC3?
I am making my travel plans for the next few weeks and the price will shape the flights I need to take, I don't feel like paying for a 4th continent if I am solely in transit.


Regards,


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