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Calchas Oct 16, 2014 7:13 am


Originally Posted by creampuff (Post 23685991)
First question:
Can anybody let me know what the base ex-tax fare for a LONE5, DONE5 and AONE5 is ex-Cairo?

Second question:
Anybody who subscribes to the premium paid Expert Flyer service..... do you like it?

LONE5 3217.49 USD
DONE5 7022.53 USD
AONE5 14327.64 USD

ExpertFlyer has a few of shortcomings, but on balance I am quite happy with it. I shall be renewing my subscription at the end of the year.

pandaperth Oct 16, 2014 8:48 am


Originally Posted by creampuff (Post 23685991)
First question:
Can anybody let me know what the base ex-tax fare for a LONE5, DONE5 and AONE5 is ex-Cairo?

Second question:
Anybody who subscribes to the premium paid Expert Flyer service..... do you like it?

The ex-Egypt base fares are actually quoted in EGP, so their cost in other currencies can fluctuate

LONE5 EGP23000
DONE5 EGP50200
AONE5 EGP102420

Just used EF to get these numbers for you
Been using its premium service for a couple of years and am very happy with it (and especially so with its fairly recent enhancement to show timetables)

creampuff Oct 16, 2014 12:42 pm

Thanks both of you.

The AA Desk has taken my ex-Cairo DONE5 itinerary which I gave them on the phone and are pricing it now & I wanted to check the base price.

Was thinking of subscribing to the Expert Flyer. Not sure how much I'd use it. Did the fares quoted come from Expert Flyer? Oops, just noticed EF is where they came from ;)

macks Oct 16, 2014 12:42 pm

Thank you for the assistance!


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23684549)
LA flies daily AKL-SCL, and QF codeshares on it

I tried getting a single L seat for each day in the first week of February 2015
- the tool shows no availability on any of the seven days
- however ExpertFlyer showed availability each day
So it would appear to be a quirk of the tool (but it might in fact be a point-of-sale issue)

I'm not sure I quite understand what "point-of-sale issue" means. Is the best course of action to call the AA desk and get it priced via a representative? Will they do this if I don't have AA flights on my itinerary?


3-continent itineraries are only possible if the three continents are Asia, North America and Europe
(for your itinerary, there is no way to get from Asia to Sth America without touching either Nth America or South West Pacific)

If you don't have status in your FF programme (and so earn status bonus miles) then I think the miles you do earn on a DONE3 would not be enough to cover Asia-SWP return and NthAm-SthAm return

I have a good bit of year-end travel lined up, so the hope is to do a Platinum Challenge on AA and secure status by the time we set off in January. Is a DONE3 Asia-SWP-S America route worth considering, using accrued miles to take us to Europe after wrapping up in Tokyo? Or is it impossible to get from S America back to Japan without touching N American or Europe?

Thanks again, and appreciate your patience with a newbie.

pandaperth Oct 16, 2014 1:55 pm


Originally Posted by macks (Post 23687938)
Thank you for the assistance!

You're welcome

I'm not sure I quite understand what "point-of-sale issue" means. Is the best course of action to call the AA desk and get it priced via a representative? Will they do this if I don't have AA flights on my itinerary?
I'm not fully up to speed on point of sale either - but basically an airline can restrict availability of booking classes based on where in the world you are purchasing the ticket. So in the case of availability in L booking class on the AKL-SCL flight, LA might make more available to people in Chile than elsewhere in the world.

Anecdotally, AA insists on having at least one 'over water' flight
But if you don't try then the answer is bound to be "no"

I have a good bit of year-end travel lined up, so the hope is to do a Platinum Challenge on AA and secure status by the time we set off in January. Is a DONE3 Asia-SWP-S America route worth considering, using accrued miles to take us to Europe after wrapping up in Tokyo? Or is it impossible to get from S America back to Japan without touching N American or Europe?.
Yes, having PLT status on AA, which will result in a 100% status bonus on most/all? of your flights, will help if you decide to fill gaps in the itinerary with award flights
(and of course if you choose to fly "L", then PLT status will also give you lounge access and the ability to check in at business class counters)
However, you won't have the award miles until you fly the flights that earn them, and then it might be too late to get the award flights you want

With a DONE3, I pointed out that on your proposed itinerary there is no way to get from Asia to South America without touching either South West Pacific or North America.
I'll now add that after South America, there is no way to get back to Asia without touching Europe (the fare rules say you must fly across both the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans)

macks Oct 16, 2014 4:06 pm

A pricing question as well. When I was playing around with the online tool a couple months ago, LONE4 itineraries starting in Japan were coming in around $5500. The same/very similar itineraries are now pricing out in excess of $9000. Am I doing something wrong, or was there a significant fare hike in the past few months?

pandaperth Oct 16, 2014 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by macks (Post 23689037)
A pricing question as well. When I was playing around with the online tool a couple months ago, LONE4 itineraries starting in Japan were coming in around $5500. The same/very similar itineraries are now pricing out in excess of $9000. Am I doing something wrong, or was there a significant fare hike in the past few months?

The base fare for an ex-Japan LONE4 is JPY369,600
So even your $5500 seems high
In the tool, the price is broken down into Base Fare + Taxes/Surcharges and will be shown in JPY. What are you getting for each component?

Edited to add: Just priced up a simple LONE4 in the tool (NRT-SYD-LAX-LHR-NRT).
Base Fare JPY369,600
Surcharges/Fees JPY108,440
TOTAL JPY478,040

Gardyloo Oct 16, 2014 5:23 pm


Originally Posted by macks (Post 23687938)
I have a good bit of year-end travel lined up, so the hope is to do a Platinum Challenge on AA and secure status by the time we set off in January. Is a DONE3 Asia-SWP-S America route worth considering, using accrued miles to take us to Europe after wrapping up in Tokyo? Or is it impossible to get from S America back to Japan without touching N American or Europe?

At present it isn't possible to purchase an xONEx that avoids Europe (which includes the Middle East) owing to no trans-South Atlantic routes flown by Oneworld members.

Originally Posted by macks (Post 23689037)
A pricing question as well. When I was playing around with the online tool a couple months ago, LONE4 itineraries starting in Japan were coming in around $5500. The same/very similar itineraries are now pricing out in excess of $9000. Am I doing something wrong, or was there a significant fare hike in the past few months?

Expert Flyer shows the base LONE4 fare at $3459++ ex-Japan, so I'd look again at your inputs. (Note "++" means plus taxes and fees, which, depending on your choice of stopovers and carriers, can be as much as 20% or more of the base fare.)

The economy v. business class decision is obviously a personal one, but I'm not sure I'd try to justify it based on the differential in mileage earned. Yes, you get class-of-service bonus miles (for AAdvantage, 25% in business, 50% in first) but on a 40,000 mile (+/-) RTW that doesn't amount to some stunning total. Really, you could play the credit card churning game and do better, without all that pesky flying.

But of course, 16 flights in business or first class for an average cost of $500 or less is a screaming deal, so I wouldn't discard the idea out of hand. The USD is pretty strong against the Yen at the moment, and a DONE4 ex-Japan is barely twice the price of an LONE4. So my vote (and I don't get one of course) would be to talk it over with your honeymoon companion. Personally, I would willingly step down from a 4-star hotel to a 2- or 3-star one, and use the spread for more comfortable flights, but that's me.

One thing I'd also mention is - as a leisure RTW traveler - you might consider doing a two- or three-year "strategic" travel plan, and see how the RTW ticket might fit into it. In our case, we found that we could break a RTW itinerary in half, come home as a "stopover," and return to work, using the 6 allocated North America segments for work or leisure purposes, then, even months later, continue the RTW back to the start point. That way, in our case at least, we found that we could do most of a year's travel just with one ticket, and in the course of that year, earn enough miles so that a significant amount of travel could be accomplished the following year on the house.

For example, a DONE4 or 5 that covers, say, 55,000 flight miles, will earn roughly 125,000 - 130,000 AA miles, enough for a business-class round trip from North America to Europe or Asia, or for a couple of first-class round trips within North America or the Caribbean. This is what we did; we'd do a two- or three-part RTW in year 1, usually starting in whatever country was "cheap" (relative term) for DONEx tickets - usually South Africa, but also Japan, or, formerly, Turkey or even Sweden - then fly "free" on the miles in year two, then repeat. With around $6K out of pocket every two years, we usually managed something like 20-22 business class or first class flights over that period, making the average cost something like $300. Not bad for Vancouver - New York in J on CX, or Joburg to Sydney in J on Qantas.

Of course it depends on your own budget, travel style, and work/family obligations. But planning doesn't cost anything, RTW tickets are good for a year, and - trust me - they can become very addictive once you get the hang of how to plan your travel over a longer period than just one trip at a time.

pandaperth Oct 16, 2014 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by Gardyloo (Post 23689346)
The economy v. business class decision is obviously a personal one, but I'm not sure I'd try to justify it based on the differential in mileage earned. Yes, you get class-of-service bonus miles (for AAdvantage, 25% in business, 50% in first) but on a 40,000 mile (+/-) RTW that doesn't amount to some stunning total.

Depending on the airlines flown, the difference can be much more than that
For example - as an AA PLT flying CX, the difference is between earning 0% in L and earning 225% in D.


and - trust me - they can become very addictive once you get the hang of how to plan your travel over a longer period than just one trip at a time.
Oh yes. I'm hooked. Currently planning my next trip/s. Looks like it will be an ex-CPT DONE5 (where the only continent NOT visited will be my home continent:))

macks Oct 17, 2014 9:12 am

Thanks for the price check! I see where I made my error, and the adjusted fare is now coming in under $5K. Really appreciate the help, pandaperth and Gardyloo, and thanks for giving us plenty to think about as we decide on fare class.

TopGunner Oct 17, 2014 11:11 am

Confirming Carrier Charges DONE4 ex-JNB
 
I just priced up this basic DONE4 out of JNB and wanted to get the collective wisdom on the charges, especially the carrier fines. Since they are lumped in, it is rather difficult to ascertain where they are coming from. I shudder to think what including BA might do to such an itinerary.

Base fare: 59,010ZAR
Carrier fees: 11,790ZAR
Taxes: 2,499ZAR
Total: 73,298ZAR

Itinerary:
JNB-DOH QR
DOH-MAD QR
MAD-LHR-LAX AA(IB Codeshare)-AA135
LAX-JFK AA
JFK-HKG AA (CX codeshare)
HKG-NRT CX
NRT-HKG CX
HKG-JNB CX

skunker Oct 17, 2014 1:19 pm


Originally Posted by TopGunner (Post 23692792)
I just priced up this basic DONE4 out of JNB and wanted to get the collective wisdom on the charges, especially the carrier fines. Since they are lumped in, it is rather difficult to ascertain where they are coming from. I shudder to think what including BA might do to such an itinerary.

Base fare: 59,010ZAR
Carrier fees: 11,790ZAR
Taxes: 2,499ZAR
Total: 73,298ZAR

Itinerary:
JNB-DOH QR
DOH-MAD QR
MAD-LHR-LAX AA(IB Codeshare)-AA135
LAX-JFK AA
JFK-HKG AA (CX codeshare)
HKG-NRT CX
NRT-HKG CX
HKG-JNB CX

Who's pricing it? You should be able to get a breakdown on the surcharges. It seems high for the carriers involved.

TopGunner Oct 17, 2014 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 23693525)
Who's pricing it? You should be able to get a breakdown on the surcharges. It seems high for the carriers involved.

AA RTW desk priced this one. Are they able to give a segment by segment YQ/YR?

pandaperth Oct 17, 2014 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by TopGunner (Post 23694357)
AA RTW desk priced this one. Are they able to give a segment by segment YQ/YR?

To gauge the reasonableness of the charges, you could plug each segment into itasoftware and it will list the all the charges, including YQ/YR

This method will give you the charges that each carrier collects if it is selling you a ticket for the segment. IME, AA does not collect all of these

FYI, I've been pricing up an ex-CPT DONE5 in the tool, and my total charges/fines comes to ZAR16,120. I've run my itinerary through ita and the total looks reasonable. (in the tool, I have BA as my first carrier. When I get serious I will change that to QR and get the AA RTW desk to price it up)

TopGunner Oct 17, 2014 4:59 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 23694452)
To gauge the reasonableness of the charges, you could plug each segment into itasoftware and it will list the all the charges, including YQ/YR

This method will give you the charges that each carrier collects if it is selling you a ticket for the segment. IME, AA does not collect all of these

FYI, I've been pricing up an ex-CPT DONE5 in the tool, and my total charges/fines comes to ZAR16,120. I've run my itinerary through ita and the total looks reasonable. (in the tool, I have BA as my first carrier. When I get serious I will change that to QR and get the AA RTW desk to price it up)

Mmmm...if including a BA segment barely makes a difference on your itinerary I may rethink using QR as my first flight.

Using Matrix to try and gauge YQ at least on the JNB-DOH-MAD-LHR-LAX-JFK segmetn, I see that there is about 2,080ZAR from QR and 2,430ZAR from AA. Looks like AA has gotten thirsty and lapping up those fuel fines for TATL.

I'm going to use BA on my first leg and see what the tool prices out at.


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