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anabolism Feb 27, 2018 4:31 pm

I agree the term "12 months" is vague. AA also insisted that the last flight (not just the last sequence of flights) must depart the day before the one year mark. Interestingly, the AA RTW desk was happy to have the last flight depart on the one-year mark, but ticketing refused to issue it.

ajnaro Feb 27, 2018 5:31 pm


Originally Posted by R2 (Post 29463553)
In my recent experience with BA, the last flight needed to depart 'a day before' the first flight had been flown the previous year. I.e. the first flight was on 25 Oct 2016, BA would not allow the last segment to have departure date of 25 Oct 2017, it needed to be 24 Oct 2017.

I am currently on a rtw issued originally by BA in South Africa. Although throughout process of the original issuing and subsequent reissuing of the ticket I usually spoke on the SA telephone line, I was never sure of whom I was talking to or where he or she may have been physically located. I also used the Brazilian 0800 number, which often connects through to people in Portugal. In any case the first flight was on 27 April 2017 and the last flight is currently scheduled for 27 April 2018. The whole issue of 1 year or 365 day limit never came up.

Dr. HFH Feb 27, 2018 8:01 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29466650)
I agree the term "12 months" is vague. AA also insisted that the last flight (not just the last sequence of flights) must depart the day before the one year mark. Interestingly, the AA RTW desk was happy to have the last flight depart on the one-year mark, but ticketing refused to issue it.

I can understand that. Count one year from, say, January 1, 2018. The year ends on December 31, 2018. January 1, 2019 is the first day of the next year.

I don't think that "12 months" is vague at all. It's the same as my example immediately above. January 1, 2019 is the first day of the 13th month, not the last day of the twelfth.

And I apply the same logic to 365 days. That's even easier! Use Excel to put a date in and add 364 to it. (If you add 365, you will be at the 366th day.)

anabolism Feb 28, 2018 6:30 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29467158)
I can understand that. Count one year from, say, January 1, 2018. The year ends on December 31, 2018. January 1, 2019 is the first day of the next year.

Right, and the AA RTW desk was happy to have the last flight depart per that guideline (that is, one day before the first flight the previous calendar year) but AA ticketing insisted it be moved one day before that. That's why I said one day before the one-year mark.


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29467158)
I don't think that "12 months" is vague at all. It's the same as my example immediately above. January 1, 2019 is the first day of the 13th month, not the last day of the twelfth.

Well, I find the term vague because a "month" means different things in different contexts. It's often used as a standardized 30-day interval, other times a calendar month (which might be 28, 29, 30, or 31 days).


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29467158)
And I apply the same logic to 365 days. That's even easier! Use Excel to put a date in and add 364 to it. (If you add 365, you will be at the 366th day.)

Yes, "365 days" is clear and not ambiguous, except when a leap year comes into play. If my first flight is, say, February 28, 2016 (a leap year that has February 29), can my last flight be February 27 of the following year, or must it be February 26?

Wasabi Tofu Feb 28, 2018 8:02 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29471112)
Yes, "365 days" is clear and not ambiguous, except when a leap year comes into play. If my first flight is, say, February 28, 2016 (a leap year that has February 29), can my last flight be February 27 of the following year, or must it be February 26?

If you call JAL ticketing/reservation office in JAPAN, you can fly on February 28, 2017.

Dr. HFH Mar 1, 2018 2:00 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 29471112)
Yes, "365 days" is clear and not ambiguous, except when a leap year comes into play. If my first flight is, say, February 28, 2016 (a leap year that has February 29), can my last flight be February 27 of the following year, or must it be February 26?

I suggest that it's clear and unambiguous regardless of whether or not it's a leap year. 365 days is 365 days. Doesn't matter when the month name or year number changes, or how many days there are in a year.

Calchas Mar 1, 2018 3:27 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29471989)
I suggest that it's clear and unambiguous regardless of whether or not it's a leap year. 365 days is 365 days. Doesn't matter when the month name or year number changes, or how many days there are in a year.

Actually I meant 366 days if the date range crosses a February 29th (in the present year or otherwise). Just couldn’t be bothered to write it. :p

You have until one day preceding the date one year hence of your first coupon to commence your final flight.

Dr. HFH Mar 1, 2018 4:39 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29472123)
Actually I meant 366 days if the date range crosses a February 29th (in the present year or otherwise). Just couldn’t be bothered to write it.

Do the rules provide for leap years?

Wasabi Tofu Mar 1, 2018 9:02 am

You can get some idea about meaning of 'month' in airline ticket validity from CX online reservation.

HND-HKG 15Oct
HKG-HND 15Nov
-> 1 month, V class fare applied (V class fare is defined as one month. not 30days/31days/...)

HND-HKG 15Nov
HKG-HND 15Dec
-> 1 month, V class fare applied

HND-HKG 15Nov
HKG-HND 16Dec
->1 month + 1 day, V class fare can't be applied.

HND-HKG 12Nov
HKG-HND 26Nov
-> 14 days, S class fare applied.

ernestnywang Mar 1, 2018 12:13 pm


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 29473114)
You can get some idea about meaning of 'month' in airline ticket validity from CX online reservation.

HND-HKG 15Oct
HKG-HND 15Nov
-> 1 month, V class fare applied (V class fare is defined as one month. not 30days/31days/...)

HND-HKG 15Nov
HKG-HND 15Dec
-> 1 month, V class fare applied

HND-HKG 15Nov
HKG-HND 16Dec
->1 month + 1 day, V class fare can't be applied.

HND-HKG 12Nov
HKG-HND 26Nov
-> 14 days, S class fare applied.

I agree. I think this is where the confusion arises. If you buy a ticket that is valid for 1 month and depart on 01MAY you can return on a flight that departs on 01JUN but arrives on 02JUN. See example below, the QL*55ZN1 fare is valid for 1M and the NVA for the return sector is 01JUN, even though the flight can arrive on 02JUN.


Code:

FQTYONYC1MAY-AA«
TYO-NYC CXR-AA TUE 01MAY18 JPY
AA 2/ 0/48 AC 0/ 0/14 AF 0/ 0/ 5 AM 0/ 0/ 3 AZ 0/ 0/ 1
BA 1/ 0/12 BR 0/ 0/ 4 CA 0/ 0/19 CI 0/ 0/ 4 CX 0/ 0/31
CZ 0/ 0/ 3 DL 0/ 1/27 EK 0/ 0/ 6 EY 0/ 0/ 2 JL 2/ 0/ 9
KE 0/ 0/12 KL 0/ 0/ 2 LH 0/ 0/ 3 LO 0/ 0/ 2 LX 0/ 0/ 1
MH 1/ 0/ 0 MU 0/ 0/ 8 NH 3/ 0/16 OZ 0/ 0/ 5 PR 0/ 0/ 2
QR 0/ 0/ 2 SQ 1/ 0/ 6 SU 0/ 0/ 1 TG 2/ 0/ 1 TK 0/ 0/ 3
UA 3/ 0/83
//SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
AA TYONYC.PA 01MAY18 MPM 8067
V FARE BASIS AP FARE-OW FARE-RT BK SEASON MINMAX RTG
1 QLX55ZN1 ‡ 100000 Q‡01MAY-31MAY 5/ 1M PA01
2 QKX5N5G1 ‡ 105000 Q‡29APR-02MAY 5/12M PA01
3 QLW55ZN1 ‡ 120000 Q‡01MAY-31MAY 5/ 1M PA01
4 QKW5N5G1 ‡ 125000 Q‡29APR-02MAY 5/12M PA01
5 SLX79ZN0 ‡ 128000 S 01MAY-12JUL 2/ 28 PA01
6 SKX2N5V1 ‡ 131500 S 29APR-02MAY 2/12M PA01
7 VLX79ZN0 ‡ 142000 V 01MAY-12JUL 2/ 35 PA01
8 SLW79ZN0 ‡ 148000 S 01MAY-12JUL 2/ 28 PA01
9 SKW2N5V1 ‡ 151500 S 29APR-02MAY 2/12M PA01
10 LLX79ZN0 ‡ 157000 L 01MAY-12JUL 2/ 42 PA01
11 SKX0N5V1 ‡ 158000 S 29APR-02MAY 2/12M PA01‡
11MAYTYONYC-Q¤AA«
01MAY TUE TYO/Z‡9 NYC/EDT-13
AA RESPONSE ** DIRECT CONNECT PARTICIPANT **
13AA*8403 Q7 HNDJFK 1040 1045 773 M 0 /E
14AA*8496 Q7 NRTJFK 1810 1820 773 M 0 /E
15MH*9146 Q4 HNDJFK 1040 1045 77W M 0 /E
16AA 176 Q0 NRTDFW 1040 0820 772 LB 0 /E
17AA 249 Q0 EWR N 1021 1452 738 L/G 0 /E
18AA 176 Q0 NRTDFW 1040 0820 772 LB 0 /E
19AA 24 Q0 JFK 7 1020 1455 738 L/G 0 /E
20AA*8478 Q7 NRTDFW 1045 0825 789 M 0 /E
21AA 249 Q7 EWR N 1021 1452 738 L/G 0 /E
22AA*8478 Q7 NRTDFW 1045 0825 789 M 0 /E
23AA 1169 Q7 LGA 9 1030 1502 32B L/G 0 /E.
01Q13«
1 AA8403Q 01MAY 2 HNDJFK SS1 1040 1045 /DCAA /E
OPERATED BY JAPAN AIRLINES.
11JUNNYCTYO-Q¤AA«
01JUN FRI NYC/EDT TYO/‡13
AA RESPONSE ** DIRECT CONNECT PARTICIPANT **
13AA*8495 Q7 JFKNRT 1140 1440‡1 773 M 0 /E
14AA*8402 Q7 JFKHND 1325 1625‡1 773 M 0 /E
15AA 2321 Q7 EWRDFW N 0700 0953 738 B/G 0 /E
16AA 175 Q7 NRT 1045 1400‡1 772 LD 0 /E
17AA 2177 Q7 LGADFW 8 0659 0945 32B B/G 0 /E
18AA 175 Q7 NRT 1045 1400‡1 772 LD 0 /E
19AA 149 Q7 LGADFW 8 0750 1045 32B B/G 0 XS /E
20AA*8481 Q2 NRT 1155 1505‡1 789 M 0 /E
21AA 2321 Q7 EWRDFW N 0700 0953 738 B/G 0 /E
22AA*8481 Q2 NRT 1155 1505‡1 789 M 0 /E
23AA 2177 Q7 LGADFW 8 0659 0945 32B B/G 0 /E
24AA*8481 Q2 NRT 1155 1505‡1 789 M 0 /E.
01Q13«
2 AA8495Q 01JUN 5 JFKNRT SS1 1140 1440 02JUN 6 /DCAA /E
OPERATED BY JAPAN AIRLINES.
WP«
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
TYO
NYC AA Q 01MAY QLX55ZN1 01MAY 01MAY 02P
TYO AA Q 01JUN QLW55ZN1 01JUN 01JUN 02P
FARE JPY 115000 EQUIV TWD 31545
TAX TWD 705SW TWD 1074US TWD 6548XT
TOTAL TWD 39872
ADT-01 QLX55ZN1 QLW55ZN1
TYO AA NYC Q44.44 444.42AA TYO533.30NUC1022.16
END ROE112.505857
XT TWD166YC TWD206XY TWD117XA TWD165AY TWD5762YR TWD132XFJFK4.5
ENDOS*SEG1/2*NO CHG/RFND RESTR APPLY
TKT/TL03MAR18/2359
RATE USED 1JPY-0.2742972TWD
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - AA
ATTN*BAG ALLOWANCE -HNDJFK-02P/AA/EACH PIECE UP TO 50 POUND
ATTN*S/23 KILOGRAMS AND UP TO 62 LINEAR INCHES/158 LINEAR CENTI
ATTN*METERS
ATTN*BAG ALLOWANCE -JFKNRT-02P/AA/EACH PIECE UP TO 50 POUND
ATTN*S/23 KILOGRAMS AND UP TO 62 LINEAR INCHES/158 LINEAR CENTI
ATTN*METERS
ATTN*CARRY ON ALLOWANCE ‡


Calchas Mar 1, 2018 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29472256)
Do the rules provide for leap years?

They don’t need to. Ticket validity is governed by IATA rules. Fares can specify a shorter validity than one year, but it is unusual.

Dr. HFH Mar 1, 2018 8:05 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29474568)
They don’t need to. Ticket validity is governed by IATA rules. Fares can specify a shorter validity than one year, but it is unusual.

Right, but do the IATA rules say one year, 12 months, or 365 days? Or Stardate, perhaps?

Calchas Mar 1, 2018 8:18 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 29475285)
Right, but do the IATA rules say one year, 12 months, or 365 days? Or Stardate, perhaps?

See IATA Resolution 735.

I shall try to dig out the exact wording if you are particularly interested.

I am fairly sure it is "twelve months", i.e., the same date next year.

christep Mar 1, 2018 10:28 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29475303)
I am fairly sure it is "twelve months", i.e., the same date next year.

OK, so I'll ask the obvious question - what about a ticket starting on 29th February? :D

anabolism Mar 1, 2018 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29475303)
I am fairly sure it is "twelve months", i.e., the same date next year.


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29472123)
You have until one day preceding the date one year hence of your first coupon to commence your final flight.

There does seem to be an element of unclarity. Can the flight flight (or the last sequence of flights) start on the same date as the date of the first flight a year hence, or must it be a day or more earlier than the same date as the date of the first flight?


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