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andreiz Jul 29, 2018 12:47 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 30023361)
What about "AMM-xDOH-xORD-......??

The AMM to second DFW part has already been flown.

Thank you for the references.

andreiz Jul 29, 2018 1:02 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30023603)
what make you suddenly want to maximize the EQM as it doesnt seem that you care for your first half of the RTW?

Because the first part was flown last year to achieve Platinum status. I had a few paid business fares earlier this year and if I get enough EQM from this ticket I can push for EXP status.


I think the rule is about Europe. you are doing Europe - US - Asia - Europe - Africa - Europe.

Normally, you can only enter and exit a continent once, but it is an exception that have been discussed, and the fare rule is quite clear (if I remember after the Dec 16 update) about this situation.
I found this post:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27552163-post403.html

It seems that one references removing the ban on 2 return trips from LHR to ME, but in my case there's only 1, so not sure if it applies. I do have 2 exits from the Europe/ME, once via DOH-ORD and the second via DOH-CPT, so is there an exception for this?

pbd456 Jul 29, 2018 1:18 am

Great Circle Mapper

can this be improved to over 80k miles?

while AA will not ticketed this but I suspect other airlines would since they dont see it as backtracking from hawaii as LHR HNL is a 1-stop direct flight.

andreiz Jul 29, 2018 1:30 am

I'm considering another DONE fare starting later this year. It seems ex-JNB/CPT the price went up to 7,738 USD if ticketed via AA. What are the cheapest origin points these days? Ex-NRT/HND seems to be the lowest I've found so far at 7,033 USD.

anabolism Jul 29, 2018 2:13 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 30023361)
What about "AMM-xDOH-xORD-......??

For AA have you considering what can be earnt on AA on RTW tickets?May or may not apply to you

I'm certain that the 75k RDM isn't an issue, since that is per e-ticket, and RTWs typically have four or more e-tickets to start, with new e-tickets typically issued for many changes. However, the fare-based RDM (and EQD) earnings is really appalling. I've had transcons booked in D earn $60 EQD and 660 RDM. However, AA codes do earn 2x EQM versus 1.5x on non-AA codes. So, if the poster cares more about EQM, then using AA codes makes sense.

ernestnywang Jul 29, 2018 4:19 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30023878)
Great Circle Mapper

can this be improved to over 80k miles?

while AA will not ticketed this but I suspect other airlines would since they dont see it as backtracking from hawaii as LHR HNL is a 1-stop direct flight.

It is autopriceable on Sabre when I make the later part of the itinerary substantially simpler.

Code:

WQCPT/ABA1OCT/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDHNL/AAA/CDDFW/AAA/CDEZE/AAA/CDJFK/AC
X/CDHKG/ACX/CDSYD/AQF/CDJNB-RW/MZAR«                           
PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01                                           
    CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA    BG             
 CPT                                                           
XLON BA  D  01OCT DONE6          01OCT 01OCT 02P             
 HNL BA  D  OPEN  DONE6          02OCT 02OCT 02P             
 DFW AA  D  OPEN  DONE6          03OCT 03OCT 02P             
 BUE AA  D  OPEN  DONE6          04OCT 04OCT 02P             
 NYC AA  D  OPEN  DONE6          05OCT 05OCT 02P             
 HKG CX  D  OPEN  DONE6          06OCT 06OCT 02P             
 SYD CX  D  OPEN  DONE6          07OCT 07OCT 02P             
 JNB QF  D  OPEN  DONE6          08OCT 08OCT 03P             
 CPT    S U R F A C E                                         
FARE  ZAR 137130.00                                           
TAX  ZAR    238.07ZA ZAR    190.00WC ZAR  13801.61XT         
TOTAL ZAR 151359.68                                           
ADT-01  DONE6                                                 
 CPT BA X/LON BA HNL AA DFW AA BUE AA NYC CX HKG CX SYD QF JNB 
 //CPT Q CPTCPT10.00 10783.27NUC10793.27END ROE12.704865       
XT ZAR23.61EV ZAR22.00UM ZAR597.00UB ZAR1106.00US ZAR152.00YC 
XT ZAR188.00XY ZAR106.00XA ZAR225.00AY ZAR658.00XR ZAR134.00TQ 
XT ZAR134.00QO ZAR205.00HK ZAR308.00G3 ZAR77.00I5 ZAR598.00AU 
XT ZAR624.00WY ZAR2246.00YR ZAR6338.00YQ ZAR60.00XFJFK4.5     
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF        ‡
MD«                                                           
TKT/TL06SEP18/2359                                            ‡
ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-9                         
ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-9                       
ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1                             
ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-9                   
ATTN*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-9                   
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - BA                                   
                                                               
** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **                     
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE     
  CONFIRMED **                                               
.


pbd456 Jul 29, 2018 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 30025873)
It is autopriceable on Sabre when I make the later part of the itinerary substantially simpler.


Code:

WQCPT/ABA1OCT/CD/XLHR/ABA/CDHNL/AAA/CDDFW/AAA/CDEZE/AAA/CDJFK/AC
X/CDHKG/ACX/CDSYD/AQF/CDJNB-RW/MZAR«
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
CPT
XLON BA D 01OCT DONE6 01OCT 01OCT 02P
HNL BA D OPEN DONE6 02OCT 02OCT 02P
DFW AA D OPEN DONE6 03OCT 03OCT 02P
BUE AA D OPEN DONE6 04OCT 04OCT 02P
NYC AA D OPEN DONE6 05OCT 05OCT 02P
HKG CX D OPEN DONE6 06OCT 06OCT 02P
SYD CX D OPEN DONE6 07OCT 07OCT 02P
JNB QF D OPEN DONE6 08OCT 08OCT 03P
CPT S U R F A C E
FARE ZAR 137130.00
TAX ZAR 238.07ZA ZAR 190.00WC ZAR 13801.61XT
TOTAL ZAR 151359.68
ADT-01 DONE6
CPT BA X/LON BA HNL AA DFW AA BUE AA NYC CX HKG CX SYD QF JNB
//CPT Q CPTCPT10.00 10783.27NUC10793.27END ROE12.704865
XT ZAR23.61EV ZAR22.00UM ZAR597.00UB ZAR1106.00US ZAR152.00YC
XT ZAR188.00XY ZAR106.00XA ZAR225.00AY ZAR658.00XR ZAR134.00TQ
XT ZAR134.00QO ZAR205.00HK ZAR308.00G3 ZAR77.00I5 ZAR598.00AU
XT ZAR624.00WY ZAR2246.00YR ZAR6338.00YQ ZAR60.00XFJFK4.5
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF ‡
MD«
TKT/TL06SEP18/2359 ‡
ATTN*FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-9
ATTN*ADV RES/TICKETING REQUIRED SEG 1-9
ATTN*CONFIRMED RES REQUIRED SEG 1
ATTN*MIN/MAX STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY SEG 1-9
ATTN*PAYMENT/TKT RESTRICTIONS APPLY SEG 1-9
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - BA

** TOTALS INCLUDE KNOWN TAXES AND FEES **
** TOTAL FARE, TAXES AND FEES MAY CHANGE ONCE FLIGHTS ARE
CONFIRMED **
.


AA would call this ticket illegal (against AA rule) and they wont do anything in case of irregular operation (because the rule is that cannot to go mainland twice from Hawaii.

(LHR HNL is really LHR LAX HNL and LHR HNL DFW is LHR LAX HNL DFW) which violate the rule. but i suspect no airline except AA would take this position.

Calchas Jul 29, 2018 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30025895)
AA would call this ticket illegal (against AA rule) and they wont do anything in case of irregular operation (because the rule is that cannot to go mainland twice from Hawaii.

(LHR HNL is really LHR LAX HNL and LHR HNL DFW is LHR LAX HNL DFW) which violate the rule. but i suspect no airline except AA would take this position.

<rant on AA direct flights with midway gauge changes>You're right to bring it up, but it is AA that offers a direct flight from London to Honolulu (via LAX). If they don't like it, they should split the flight in two. :) </rant>

Would AA really leave you stranded in the case of IRROPS? I would be surprised if the average AA airport staffer trying to get a plane full of passengers rebooked would notice that and know the AA interpretation of the xONEx backtracking rules.

pbd456 Jul 29, 2018 5:10 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 30025917)
<rant on AA direct flights with midway gauge changes>You're right to bring it up, but it is AA that offers a direct flight from London to Honolulu (via LAX). If they don't like it, they should split the flight in two. :) </rant>

Would AA really leave you stranded in the case of IRROPS? I would be surprised if the average AA airport staffer trying to get a plane full of passengers rebooked would notice that and know the AA interpretation of the xONEx backtracking rules.

well. at least, depending on how complicated the re-routing will be. some may need to contact the RTW desk.
also, AA probably wont apply a SWU for D to A class

Dr. HFH Jul 30, 2018 5:36 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 30025917)
Would AA really leave you stranded in the case of IRROPS? I would be surprised if the average AA airport staffer trying to get a plane full of passengers rebooked would notice that and know the AA interpretation of the xONEx backtracking rules.

My experience is that once the ticket is issued, all One World carriers will honor it even if it does not comply with the fare rules (or the operating carrier's interpretation of the rules). Any other outcome would require each operating carrier to revalidate the ticket against the fare rules; and I just don't see that as a realistic possibility.

Of course what goes on between issuing and operating carriers behind the scenes and after the fact is anyone's guess.

andreiz Jul 30, 2018 10:30 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30023603)
I think the rule is about Europe. you are doing Europe - US - Asia - Europe - Africa - Europe.

Normally, you can only enter and exit a continent once, but it is an exception that have been discussed, and the fare rule is quite clear (if I remember after the Dec 16 update) about this situation.

I called AA RTW desk to check on the HKG-LHR-DOH-JNB-DOH routing and the agent said it is not allowed due to "backtracking through the point of origin". She was fine with HKG-DOH-JNB-DOH though..

pbd456 Jul 30, 2018 9:32 pm

Origin is amm. They are wrong and but they can do anything they want.
there is a rule that you cant backtrack to the country of origin.
probably their logic is that since you can end the RTW anywhere in the middle east. they define the DOH as the same country as AMM.

you can try to argue with them or you may try to find a different route.

if she is fine with hkg doh cpt doh. then it is just anything. the ticket is owned by AA and i doubt any other airline would be happy to take over it. so. u have no choice but to follow AA instruction.

try hkg lhr cpt doh or something,

andreiz Aug 1, 2018 12:45 pm

Okay, can anyone point out disadvantages of originating a DONE4 in Asia (such as ex-NRT) and having the first leg be Asia-US? I originally planned on ex-JNB/CPT, but those went up in price. I understand that I can only have 2 stopovers in the continent of origin, but am I missing anything else?

pbd456 Aug 1, 2018 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by andreiz (Post 30036327)
Okay, can anyone point out disadvantages of originating a DONE4 in Asia (such as ex-NRT) and having the first leg be Asia-US? I originally planned on ex-JNB/CPT, but those went up in price. I understand that I can only have 2 stopovers in the continent of origin, but am I missing anything else?

you miss a lot of mileage because you cant transit in country of origin again, and japan is the furthest west of asia. and you cant go back to japan and bump around asia.

if you want to maximize miles, you can do NRT CMB HKG USA in the beginning. and end in asia CMB NRT. in this way, you get 4 intra asia sectors and 13k intra asia mileage or 20k eqm.

andreiz Aug 1, 2018 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30037101)
and japan is the furthest west of asia.

Did you mean east?


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