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Dr. HFH Dec 2, 2018 5:51 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 30491342)
Yet when your agent tries to book it into an RTW, it shows A0? And this is with 24 hours or more before and after this one flight?

Well, first, yes, in each case it was a couple of months before the flights. I don't know if it showed A0 or if, when he tried to sell it off the availability display, it came back as unable. I suspect the latter, since, as mentioned above, one of the flights still shows A6 even after I set the POS to Australia.

anabolism Dec 2, 2018 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30491940)
Well, first, yes, in each case it was a couple of months before the flights.

Sorry, the 24-hours or more question was just to rule out married-segment logic as the cause of the problem, so I was asking if the flight in question was isolated by 24 hours or more on each end, or if it could possibly have been connected to a flight at either or both ends.


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30491940)
I don't know if it showed A0 or if, when he tried to sell it off the availability display, it came back as unable. I suspect the latter, since, as mentioned above, one of the flights still shows A6 even after I set the POS to Australia.

I was just trying to get more information about the underlying cause of the problem. Enforcement of RTW fare rules happens when pricing, not when adding a segment, at least when booked by an agent, so I don't think it's a fare rules issue.

Leaping_Deere Dec 3, 2018 3:01 am


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 30486026)
I'm referring to the idea (perhaps I read it wrong) that you wanted to add extra segments that will be on a separate ticket, but you wanted everything in one PNR. If those extra flights are AA flights, BA might not be able to price them or will have to price them on a much higher fare. Of course, it all depends on the fare you want.

That was the case, however my plan has rejigged so I should (in theory) have enough segments.


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 30486022)
I believe [MENTION=794258]Leaping_Deere[/MENTION] was talking about nesting another ticket within the RTW and wanted to keep everything in one PNR. If the other ticket is on AA flights, BA would not be able to issue it on its plate in a BA-created PNR unless one is using the oneworld Visit North America fare.

Answer as above


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 30484621)
So, you plan to fly LHR-YYZ on 2/13, spend the night there, fly to CLT on 2/14, spend the day, and then continue on to SDF?

Yes I want to fly to to YYZ on the 10/2 then on the 12/2 fly down to CLT in the morning, have my meeting and then fly onto SDF on the same day.

I'm waiting on a TA to price the itinerary but on the OW rtw website I can not for the life of me get the flights to come up on the flight search.

the website wont send me direct from YYZ to CLT only brings up flights via MIA and from CLT-SDF it only brings up direct morning flights.

Dr. HFH Dec 3, 2018 7:09 am


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 30492133)
Sorry, the 24-hours or more question was just to rule out married-segment logic as the cause of the problem, so I was asking if the flight in question was isolated by 24 hours or more on each end, or if it could possibly have been connected to a flight at either or both ends.

LAX-ORD and ORD-LAX: Obviously a turn, only two hours between flights. First arrival into LAX is BA from LHR at 1920; departure to ORD is at 0920 the next morning. Arrive back from ORD at 1931; depart the next morning at 0830 for BOS.

LAX-BOS: It's MAD-LAX-BOS. MAD-LAX arrived at 1605, and LAX-BOS departed at 1350 the next day. Stayed eight days in BOS, so no married segment on that end.

LAX-JFK: Arrive LAX BA from LHR at 1355 on a Monday, and depart to JFK at 1230 two days later on Wednesday. On the other end, arrive JFK at 2103 and depart on CX to HKG 3:52 later at 0055+1.

Hope this info helps!

anabolism Dec 3, 2018 8:43 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30493449)
Hope this info helps!

Thanks for the details. My apologies, but at this point there's been so much cross-discussion of a potential inability to book flights, with some confirmed cases of it being known point of sale issues and other instances with it appearing to perhaps be married segments that I'm totally lost as to who has experienced an otherwise unexplained issue and who has merely run into known issues, so seeing your isolated flights isn't helping me figure anything out any more. As I said, I am sorry. I am sorry for trying to figure this out, and will simply forget about it (unless I run into it). If anyone confirms there is a bug in EF, or a different issue that can be a problem, I think it would be helpful for us in the RTW forums to know about it.

Dr. HFH Dec 3, 2018 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by anabolism (Post 30493757)
Thanks for the details. My apologies, but at this point there's been so much cross-discussion of a potential inability to book flights, with some confirmed cases of it being known point of sale issues and other instances with it appearing to perhaps be married segments that I'm totally lost as to who has experienced an otherwise unexplained issue and who has merely run into known issues, so seeing your isolated flights isn't helping me figure anything out any more. As I said, I am sorry. I am sorry for trying to figure this out, and will simply forget about it (unless I run into it). If anyone confirms there is a bug in EF, or a different issue that can be a problem, I think it would be helpful for us in the RTW forums to know about it.

No apology necessary, happy to help to a greater understanding of how this all works. Before this trip, I never had a problem where a codeshare was necessary. For reference, before the current group of three tickets, I always booked through the AA RTW desk or Mindpearl, -- don't know if that is related or helps your analysis, but there it is. My gut feeling is that the married segment issue is not what's going on here, but that's only my gut feeling based on my experience, of course, but not based on any hard evidence.

Leaping_Deere Dec 5, 2018 5:59 am

Right.. this is the gift that keeps on giving, tried to make the reservation and got this.

"Sorry, we've noticed that an error has occurred. The fastest way to complete your booking is by contacting British Airways.

An error has occurred due to waitlist on the below flight(s). By changing the following flight(s), your booking may succeed."


Only way is to call BA?

Dr. HFH Dec 5, 2018 6:21 am


Originally Posted by Leaping_Deere (Post 30500941)
"Sorry, we've noticed that an error has occurred. ... An error has occurred ....

You were trying to book by using the online tool, yes? It's completely unreliable. Apart from errors which shouldn't occur but which prevent you from making the booking, it also doesn't have the rules programmed in correctly; so itineraries which are valid by the rules aren't permitted in the online tool. You'll be much better off making your booking by phone. I usually use the AA RTW Desk in the U.S. +1-800-247-3247. They know their stuff and will try to help you, too.

Leaping_Deere Dec 5, 2018 6:41 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30500983)
You were trying to book by using the online tool, yes? It's completely unreliable. Apart from errors which shouldn't occur but which prevent you from making the booking, it also doesn't have the rules programmed in correctly; so itineraries which are valid by the rules aren't permitted in the online tool. You'll be much better off making your booking by phone. I usually use the AA RTW Desk in the U.S. +1-800-247-3247. They know their stuff and will try to help you, too.

Thanks, I've book two tickets on the online portal before, so I guess I was lucky those times! :)

Mwenenzi Dec 6, 2018 2:08 pm

May effect some people:--->https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/brit...xb-routes.html
But flights with first class (A) have been decreasing

pbd456 Dec 6, 2018 2:18 pm

the BA A class removal is a big deal for people with AONEx tickets as it is one of the intra European route in A class....

Calchas Dec 6, 2018 3:41 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30506401)
the BA A class removal is a big deal for people with AONEx tickets as it is one of the intra European route in A class....

It seems to be mostly a technical experiment to prepare the way for using a single bucket to represent multiple cabins.

We may see BA allow the use of the F bucket for AONEx fares, as that seems to be the plan for BA's own A- products.
Does moving to one inventory class in First mean only flexible fares are available in the GDS?
No. We will be maintaining semi-flex fares which will maintain the A-class fare basis code but will now be bookable in F (the only remaining RBD in First). The availability of these fares will depend on the availability in the Club World cabin, as will some of the new Fully Flexible fares which will have an F- Fare Basis Code.
(My emphasis.)
https://www.britishairways.com/asset...aul-bosdxb.pdf

anabolism Dec 6, 2018 6:23 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 30506727)
It seems to be mostly a technical experiment to prepare the way for using a single bucket to represent multiple cabins.

We may see BA allow the use of the F bucket for AONEx fares, as that seems to be the plan for BA's own A- products.
Does moving to one inventory class in First mean only flexible fares are available in the GDS?
No. We will be maintaining semi-flex fares which will maintain the A-class fare basis code but will now be bookable in F (the only remaining RBD in First). The availability of these fares will depend on the availability in the Club World cabin, as will some of the new Fully Flexible fares which will have an F- Fare Basis Code.
(My emphasis.)
https://www.britishairways.com/asset...aul-bosdxb.pdf

I'm unclear how BA benefits from eliminating A inventory. I understand that BA can easily say that Axxx fares now book into F, and that maintains the price discrimination and RM's ability to set the Axxx availability as they wish, but I don't see how this benefits BA (it keeps things as they are). Allowing AONEx fares to book into F would be nice for us, but means that if there's an F seat for sale, it can be booked with a (potentially cheap) AONEx fare, whereas as it is they can set A lower than F.

Dr. HFH Dec 6, 2018 6:24 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 30506401)
the BA A class removal is a big deal for people with AONEx tickets as it is one of the intra European route in A class....

OTOH.... On DXB, why would someone not use QR, with an infinitely better product, both hard and soft. I even greatly prefer the QR J product (both 359 and QSuite) to BA F.

And on BOS, I always fly LHR/LAX between LHR and the U.S. to get the increased mileage earning on a single segment.

pbd456 Dec 6, 2018 6:27 pm


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 30507219)
OTOH.... On DXB, why would someone not use QR, with an infinitely better product, both hard and soft. I even greatly prefer the QR J product (both 359 and QSuite) to BA F.

And on BOS, I always fly LHR/LAX between LHR and the U.S. to get the increased mileage earning on a single segment.

YQ


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