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samwise6222 Jan 16, 2018 11:58 am

Just to be clear - can I book my segments as much as I can on AA flight number to get 2x EQM?

For example) JFK->HKG: AA8927 rather than CX 845

pandaperth Jan 17, 2018 12:22 am


Originally Posted by samwise6222 (Post 29300266)
Just to be clear - can I book my segments as much as I can on AA flight number to get 2x EQM?

For example) JFK->HKG: AA8927 rather than CX 845

Yes
(assuming you mean EQM in the AAdvantage FFP, and you are travelling in business class, in other words booking class D)

There might be implications for EQD earning
so maybe you should look in the AA forum - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...advantage-733/

anabolism Jan 17, 2018 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 29302572)
Yes
(assuming you mean EQM in the AAdvantage FFP, and you are travelling in business class, in other words booking class D)

There might be implications for EQD earning
so maybe you should look in the AA forum - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...advantage-733/

Indeed. If you need EQM, then booking non-AA-operated flights as an AA codeshare in D will earn 2 EQM per mile rather than 1.5 EQM per mile, but be prepared to earn essentially no EQD or RDM. Sometimes such flights earn EQD and RDM based on flight length (the "distance" method) but this cannot be relied on. See the linked thread for more details.

jrobin Feb 20, 2018 8:13 am

Can extra " international arrival" and " international departure" be a stopover?
 
In the wiki, it mentions that
"You can backtrack within countries and continents, but you cannot re-enter a continent after leaving it, except: (a) a transit without stopover in Asia on a flight between Europe and SWP or vice versa..."
In a 2007 post earlier in this thread, quoting the Sabre universal star file, the Oneworld Explorer rules wording at that time was "transit without stopover or on a direct single plane service between the Southwest Pacific and Europe".

I just read again for the first time in a few years the Oneworld Explorer Rules
https://www.oneworld.com/documents/1...9-d346ec820edf
which now state in 4.e that
"Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent except as follows: ...
2. Two permitted in Asia when one is for travel between the Southwest Pacific and Europe/Middle East
."

So the rules now just read that an extra intercontinental arrival and intercontinental departure are permitted in Asia.

​​​​​​​What does this change mean?
1. Can there now be a stopover in Asia after the extra intercontinental arrival before the extra intercontinental departure to Southwest Pacific?
The new wording would appear to increase flexibility of the ticket at little cost to the airlines.
2. Should the wiki be updated?
Thanks

pandaperth Feb 20, 2018 10:01 am


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 29437978)

​​​​​​​What does this change mean?
1. Can there now be a stopover in Asia after the extra intercontinental arrival before the extra intercontinental departure to Southwest Pacific?
The new wording would appear to increase flexibility of the ticket at little cost to the airlines.
2. Should the wiki be updated?
Thanks

This rule was changed in August 2017 - and was discussed in this thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onew...e-sheet-2.html
(starting from this post - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28695746-post461.html)
x
  1. Yes. In fact stopovers are now allowed on both visits to Asia.
    However I disagree that the new wording increases flexibility - previously one of the visits could be to/from Africa; that is no longer allowed
  2. Yes. The wiki has gotten progressively out of date and now needs major work

Calchas Feb 20, 2018 8:26 pm


Originally Posted by jrobin (Post 29437978)
2. Should the wiki be updated?
Thanks

Please feel free to update it (or propose updates here). The full history of the wiki is always preserved, so you can be bold in your changes.

It is editable by anyone with 90 posts and 90 days of membership. :)

flyingislove Feb 25, 2018 11:50 am

365 Days?
 
Quick question! When we need to do 365 days from the start date, and say that date is 2/15...would the final flight need to take place on 2/15 or 2/14 of next year?
Thanks!

pandaperth Feb 25, 2018 9:09 pm


Originally Posted by flyingislove (Post 29457107)
Quick question! When we need to do 365 days from the start date, and say that date is 2/15...would the final flight need to take place on 2/15 or 2/14 of next year?
Thanks!

The precise wording of the rule is:

7. MAXIMUM STAY
Return travel from the last stopover point must commence no later than 12 months after departure.
I don't recall any reports/discussion here on what precisely that means
( for example: if the first flight leaves JNB at 12noon on 2/15/18, then can the return flight from the last stopover start at a time that is the same as 12noon JNB time on 2/15/19?)

Wasabi Tofu Feb 26, 2018 1:56 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 29458790)
The precise wording of the rule is:

I don't recall any reports/discussion here on what precisely that means
( for example: if the first flight leaves JNB at 12noon on 2/15/18, then can the return flight from the last stopover start at a time that is the same as 12noon JNB time on 2/15/19?)

No.
Any flight that departs for JNB on 2/15/19 is valid.
Therefore, theoretically, you may arrive at JNB on 16Feb2019.

flyingislove Feb 26, 2018 6:53 am


Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 29459334)
No.
Any flight that departs for JNB on 2/15/19 is valid.
Therefore, theoretically, you may arrive at JNB on 16Feb2019.

After the agents said that all was well and my flight could depart on 2/15 and arrive on 2/16, I got a response from ticketing noting that it is 365 INCLUDING the first day, and that arrival must happen by that day. So, arrival was needed by 2/14, meaning that final departure was necessary by 2/13 if it was an overnight flight. Interesting stuff! Just wanted to pass this along in case anyone comes up against this.

christep Feb 26, 2018 7:10 am

The rules say nothing about when you must finish the ticket. They define only when you must start the last sequence of flights without stopover to get to the end. I could easily devise an itinerary in accordance with this where you arrived at the end 367 days after you started since, in principle, you could take 14 or 15 back to back flights starting on the 365th day (whether that is defined inclusively or exclusively).

Calchas Feb 26, 2018 11:48 am


Originally Posted by flyingislove (Post 29459992)
After the agents said that all was well and my flight could depart on 2/15 and arrive on 2/16, I got a response from ticketing noting that it is 365 INCLUDING the first day, and that arrival must happen by that day. So, arrival was needed by 2/14, meaning that final departure was necessary by 2/13 if it was an overnight flight. Interesting stuff! Just wanted to pass this along in case anyone comes up against this.

Nothing to do with the rules; one year of ticket validity from the date of the first flight coupon is IATA standard.


Originally Posted by christep (Post 29460046)
The rules say nothing about when you must finish the ticket. They define only when you must start the last sequence of flights without stopover to get to the end. I could easily devise an itinerary in accordance with this where you arrived at the end 367 days after you started since, in principle, you could take 14 or 15 back to back flights starting on the 365th day (whether that is defined inclusively or exclusively).

AFAIK the flight coupons will not be valid for use more than 365 days after the date on the first flight coupon.

christep Feb 26, 2018 8:34 pm


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 29461280)
Nothing to do with the rules; one year of ticket validity from the date of the first flight coupon is IATA standard.

AFAIK the flight coupons will not be valid for use more than 365 days after the date on the first flight coupon.

But the rules explicitly say that they are. They don't say last transit point - they say last stopover point. Or do you think that is just sloppy wording?

Wasabi Tofu Feb 26, 2018 10:25 pm

In this discussion, 365 days and 1 year are different. Please use a correct term. When a leap year is involved, 1 year and 365 have different results.
IATA uses '1 year' or '12 months'.
So, a ticket of the first flight on 1st Feb 2016 is valid through 1st Feb 2017 (including 1st Feb 2017, 366th day after the day of issue).

R2 Feb 26, 2018 11:15 pm

In my recent experience with BA, the last flight needed to depart 'a day before' the first flight had been flown the previous year. I.e. the first flight was on 25 Oct 2016, BA would not allow the last segment to have departure date of 25 Oct 2017, it needed to be 24 Oct 2017.


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