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-   -   The oneworld explorer ticket FAQs (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/oneworld/338667-oneworld-explorer-ticket-faqs.html)

Calchas Jun 16, 2015 6:52 am
Removing or adding AA domestic flights should not affect the YQ calculation

Wasabi Tofu Jun 17, 2015 1:49 am
Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 24977607)
Removing or adding AA domestic flights should not affect the YQ calculation
????
Ticket reissue triggers TAX/surcharge recalculation for WHOLE ticket.
It means, if you drop an AA segment, surcharge for CX/BA segments are recalculated.

Furthermore,
12 AA 23A 31AUG LASLAX HK1 2015 2143 *(I would like to Cancel this sector)
13 CX 881Z 01SEP LAXHKG HK1 0100 0645 (CHANGE FLIGHT TO AUG 26, CX 881)
LAX becomes a transit point to a stopover point.
I'm not sure about LAX airport tax difference between transit/stopover.

Calchas Jun 17, 2015 2:57 am
Originally Posted by Wasabi Tofu (Post 24982941)
????
Ticket reissue triggers TAX/surcharge recalculation for WHOLE ticket.
It means, if you drop an AA segment, surcharge for CX/BA segments are recalculated.
Yes, agreed. But all others being equal (if no change in currency exchange rates and no change in policy on taxation/fees anywhere), the taxes/surcharges should not change in that calculation.

That's what I meant, sorry my post was rather terse.

zoombee Jun 17, 2015 3:51 am
Originally Posted by Wozza2404 (Post 24905542)
Interestingly even with starting in Cairo, it's cheaper for me to do an ex-EU to SYD, breaking in Asia on the outbound and in the GCC on the inbound, and then an ex-DUB to the USA, than it is to book a DONE4.

This is all due to the current sale fares, obviously. I'm sure that won't always be the case.
Although there is a substantial difference in the miles earned due to the air bonus miles for 2015 elite travel on D class fares as per http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/aadvantage-currency.jsp - the sales are I fares when on AA/US which get about 1/4 of the miles.

The difference can be significant. I'm on a DONE4 from JNB and should get over 100k in extra bonus miles.

Chungreo Jun 17, 2015 4:28 am
Ok so it sounds like keeping the routing but changing the timing is fine. But canceling a sector recalculated be whole surcharge and tax situation. What if the cancellations happen after the first journey has started would that make the cancellations even more costly?

Calchas Jun 17, 2015 4:36 am
Originally Posted by Chungreo (Post 24983309)
Ok so it sounds like keeping the routing but changing the timing is fine. But canceling a sector recalculated be whole surcharge and tax situation. What if the cancellations happen after the first journey has started would that make the cancellations even more costly?
No, but the re-calculation on the fees/surcharges/taxes field on the ticket will still apply if it is exchanged for re-issue.

If the ticket is only revalidated then no re-calculation will be done

However for a deletion of a sector the ticket would need to be exchanged

christep Jun 20, 2015 3:38 am
True, but if the sectors incurring the higher YQ have already been flown they you won't be charged it retrospectively, as I understand it.

What I don't understand is why there would be any increase anyway (except the LAX transit-> stopover issue). Haven't YQs been going down pretty continuously for the last year?

JohnAx Jun 20, 2015 10:06 am
Originally Posted by christep (Post 24999615)
True, but if the sectors incurring the higher YQ have already been flown they you won't be charged it retrospectively, as I understand it.

What I don't understand is why there would be any increase anyway (except the LAX transit-> stopover issue). Haven't YQs been going down pretty continuously for the last year?
My limited experience with multiple changes to an AONE4 ex-JNB (now over a year ago) was that the once-lauded AA ATW desk has lost many experienced people (especially when their rate desk gets involved) or is working to some new set of procedures designed to make absolutely sure they don't ever underprice a fare or all the people are disgruntled. Or all the above.

I doubt they ever priced a change correctly; they ranged from letting me add
LAX-ORD-LAX at no charge because I wanted to fly the next day and the rate desk couldn't handle such a short turn-around, to not crediting me Cathay's YQ for HKG-DEL-HKG when I changed to HKG-DPS-HKG (and charging much higher YQ than Cathay would have charged for the flights outside xONEx.)

Calchas Jun 20, 2015 10:22 am
It will be interesting to see if the long-promised autopricing of RTWs helps or hinders us :)

I suspect there will be lots and lots of YQ miscalculations—in both directions.

KACommuter Jun 20, 2015 8:11 pm
DONE3 need to book 8 days in advance?
 
Under "Plan and Book" on the OneWorld Explorer website:

"You need to book eight days in advance of your first flight."

Is this up to date / true / enforced? I just tried a dummy itinerary with the first flight leaving in 2 days' time and I was able to plan it all out.

pandaperth Jun 21, 2015 1:42 am
Originally Posted by KACommuter (Post 25002558)
Under "Plan and Book" on the OneWorld Explorer website:

"You need to book eight days in advance of your first flight."

Is this up to date / true / enforced? I just tried a dummy itinerary with the first flight leaving in 2 days' time and I was able to plan it all out.
The actual wording in the rule (5A) is:
PHP Code:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights
must be made prior to departure.
Subsequent segments may be open-dated.

Exception:
Reservations Made.                       Complete Ticketing
29 or more days before departure.  25 days before departure
28 - 8 days before departure          3 days after reservations or 7 days before to departure, whichever comes first
7 days or less before departure       24 Hours after booking, but no later than one hour before departure.

Himeno Jun 21, 2015 2:09 am
Random musing.

The North America transcon rule says "Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted."

There are a number of flights showing in the timetable/OW map such as YVR-DCA with a single flight number that have a tech stop/plane change in PHX (others city pairs in ORD or DFW). These flights are not nonstop or single plane...

TopGunner Jun 21, 2015 6:22 am
Originally Posted by zoombee (Post 24934433)
tl;dr version: I suspect AA are treating LHR as a stopover for pricing purposes.


Searching on ITA for a biz one-way....

MAD-xDUS-LAX on IB then AB is the following on top of the base fare:
German Passenger Service Charge (RA) $20.30
AB YQ surcharge (YQ) $191.70
+ a bunch of spain and US taxes

MAD-xHEL-xLHR-LAX on AY then AA is the following on top of the base fare:
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) $48.70
AA YR surcharge (YR) $206.40
Finland WL (WL) $5.70
Finland Air Transport Supervision Charge (XU) $1.40
+ the same bunch of spain and US taxes.

So adding in the $100 change fee and you'd expect about $150 to change.


Wondering how how much it would be with a stop on LHR...

MAD-xHEL-LHR on AY followed by LHR-LAX on AA with a stopover in LHR would be:
Finland WL (WL) $5.70
Finland Air Transport Supervision Charge (XU) $1.40
AY YR surcharge (YR) $54.10
+
United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) $218.10
United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) $64.60
AA YR surcharge (YR) $252.60
+ the same bunch of spain and US taxes.

Which would be more like $400 + $100 which is close to your $482.
Unfortunately I cannot get AA to issue a detailed receipt of charges and taxes. They say they cannot even see the details themselves. Any suggestions on how I get the fare construction details to potentially challenge the secretive ticketing desk?

Calchas Jun 21, 2015 6:30 am
Originally Posted by KACommuter (Post 25002558)
Under "Plan and Book" on the OneWorld Explorer website:

"You need to book eight days in advance of your first flight."

Is this up to date / true / enforced? I just tried a dummy itinerary with the first flight leaving in 2 days' time and I was able to plan it all out.
The website enforces a stricter set of the rules than is necessary. In principle only one hour is required but to be fair I struggle to see a ticketing desk being willing to commit to pricing on that sort of schedule.

Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 25003236)
Random musing.

The North America transcon rule says "Within the USA/Canada only one nonstop or single plane service transcontinental flight permitted."

There are a number of flights showing in the timetable/OW map such as YVR-DCA with a single flight number that have a tech stop/plane change in PHX (others city pairs in ORD or DFW). These flights are not nonstop or single plane...
Well then, should be allowed ;). What does the oneworld explorer tool say?

KACommuter Jun 21, 2015 8:40 am
Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 25003189)
The actual wording in the rule (5A) is:
PHP Code:
Reservations for the first international flight and all preceding flights
must be made prior to departure.
Subsequent segments may be open-dated.

Exception:
Reservations Made.                       Complete Ticketing
29 or more days before departure.  25 days before departure
28 - 8 days before departure          3 days after reservations or 7 days before to departure, whichever comes first
7 days or less before departure       24 Hours after booking, but no later than one hour before departure.
Looks like I'm OK then. Thank you.


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