but it wont do amy good as the BF from brazil is probably higher. but if stop by stop, and has YQ from brazil could be very useful.

Another good find: 6,160 miles - and Oslo is preferable to Casablanca in terms of ease of convenience.

Or DOH-MAD-DOH, 6635 mi.

Interesting. An AONE3 ex-NRT is almost exactly (<$100 difference) the same price as an AONE4 ex-JNB. And, obviously, you can earn far more miles ex-JNB than ex-NRT. So the real difference is positioning costs.

DONE4 ex JNB is much cheaper than DONE3 from Japan....

i am thinking if i do one DONE4 per year, then there will be little positioning cost. but of course,the price from JNB will change over time.

for AONE3 from Japan. how many F segments do u really get? you need at least 5 segments in north america amd there is only 1 real F segment...

You don't need five sectors in North America, but you can have up to six if you want.

I would guess:

• Asia to North America,
• (intra-USA on SFO/LAX-JFK),
• North America to Europe,
• Two between either Europe and Middle East and/or Europe and Russia-west*,
• Russia-west/ME/Europe to Asia

So about 5 longhaul/midhaul F flights, 6 if you include the transcon F service (meh).

Then you can get some regional Fs inside Japan and on KA/CX.

Plus regional F around Middle East and domestic F in USA. These are two-class F so you can obtain them on a DONE ticket as well.

* BA operates LHR-DME with a four class 747 now only a few times per week. The flight is only about four hours but it is a full "F" service. However, the impact of economic sanctions is making this route particularly variable and many of the rotations have been downgraded to A321s.

Turns out that it's not that simple. I had a number of flights in and out of NRT, for example, which get nixed by starting there. Only one international flight out of and into the start country. Also can't transit the starting airport, which I might be able to circumvent by starting in another airport in Japan. I can see that this is going to take some additional work....

What about using HND for the transit?

Violates Flight Application category rule F

But it appears that I could keep it a JNB ticket and USE BKK-JNB-BKK for positioning. RT BKK/JNB on QR is less than $1,500 in Y. Then it becomes worth it again. I would get lounge access at DOH based on OWE status.

For an xONE3 you do if you want to use all 16 flight segments available since cannot do more than 4 sectors in the other 2 continents, plus 3 intercontinental flights.

You can have four flights between Europe and the Middle East - the restriction of two is only between the U.K. and the Middle East

QR flies a twice daily A380 with F between DOH and CDG

^ I see

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is there any angle flat bed or better product inside africa?

Not unless QR has some fifth freedom flights. With no African airlines as a member of Oneworld the only intra-Africa routes are BA's affiliate in South Africa and any tag flights that may exist.