man4business

C2w-C3 RT 71 eur ai (hint: scheme as C2-C6) ... many more opportunities

Igetit

But there has to be some logical exception(s) to this PARANOID statement.
For example, you can do a 100% completely legitimate TURN-AROUND OPEN JAW and get ZERO YQ/YR on your ticketed price.

QEternity

Nobody has an issue with posting non-sensitive information or advice. Despite all the secrecy, new people who invest the time can and do pick up this hobby all the time.

Tony, this is a strange passion to have my friend. Maybe you ought to fly some of these tricks one day.

jorun

The problem is that Igetit doesn't have "real" experience about this matter.

Airline can do what they want with your ticket. It doesn't matter if you are playing correctly with all the fare rules. If the airline want to cancel the ticket you can be sure that they will do it.

Most of people don't want to lose time suing an airline. It's just a big pain.


The first rule in this game is to stay always under the radar and any FDer with a little bit of experience now this rule.

InstantElite

What is a Turn-Around Open Jaw ? Can you give an example of such itinerary ?

InstantElite

How can you determine that a fare is dumpable, just from the FARE RULES ?

napolivola

You should be able to send 5 private messages daily, use them to chat with your friend, got it?

flylonghaul

Posting any such example would be in violation of the updated rules which you can read easily on this page.
I would suggest reading through it.

With practice. Like all things in FD.

There is no silver bullet, despite what some that claim to get it may say.
Most of the time these types are more clueless than the average noob.
There is much more that can be learned here in this thread than in such groups.

RangeXT

Thats NOT the intension of his post. The intension is to create FAKE demand to give our beloved travel agent a reason to teach the world his primer.

The information about it he already obtained underground like the guy from the blogs in there.

napolivola

^

aktchi

Please see below.

Great advice. There are two levels of risks mentioned above. Newcomers who fly rarely are often concerned about the one ticket they have bought. "Will it be canceled if it came to notice?" "I have already flown this and that, so there is no significant risk left", etc.

Experienced FD'ers are more concerned with preserving the trick/deal itself. They want to use it again in future and many also have the spirit to keep it alive for the community of their fellow-FDers.

Now, this doesn't even have to involve a trick on our part. Perhaps the ticket self-dumped under specific conditions (OTA, origin, destination, routing, position of Moon when you clicked "Buy", whatever). However, as long as the airline didn't intend to sell at that price and it came to their attention, they can not only cancel the issued tickets in many situations, but will certainly make the opportunity go away for future. A lot of times that's why we are trying to remain under radar.

In other words, don't do anything that can cause a human being to pull up your reservation. That includes seat assignments, upgrades, "why can't I get another ticket at the same price for my brother", miles that are taking too long to post, and refund requests for the segments you skipped. You never know how dumb or smart, careless or dedicated that individual is.

There is only one unavoidable exception to this: irrops. When that happens, you'll have to call the carrier or they will call you. Fortunately, you'd be protected by the law of large crowds, ie, you'd be one of hundreds/thousands of flyers the airline is trying to move somehow and nobody will have time or inclination to study your ticket. Odds will be on your side and they have always worked out for me. Even so, my goal in such situations remains to quietly get a new boarding pass and move on, without any unnecessary discussion.

MasterGeek

Anyone seen dumpable C1ne to Hawaii fares ? All of the itineraries I found don't have any YQ

Timidocvl

Your original assessment seems correct - no YQ, no FD
(unless u want to route C1ne to Hawaii via somewhere exotic! - price won't go down, but u could have a nice trip)

maxvor

I'm, from time to time, also concerned with passport checks (I hold nationality which requires visa to almost anywhere). When it's economy ticket, I just pick the time when the queue becomes quite big. But on premium tickets there is hardly anything i can do anything to make check-in desk not to pay attention.

aktchi

Sure, if you cannot OLCI then initial checking in is a tense moment. Congrats to you if you are able to combine FD with premium cabin; for me FD'd tickets are always in coach.

My MO has been to use the general line (even if I would qualify for the elite one due to status).

I also try to be prepared for some casual small talk about the "x" part of the ticket. They are not always suspicious or "investigating"; it could just be "Wow, you will visit FDville in March! My daughter went there for Peace Corps." I have had a few of these over the years. One was, "Is it safe over there?". Say whatever you want---"I have a good friend there" is generally good, although in this case I'd start talking about her daughter---just don't look flustered or sound defensive.

I am even prepared for something as blunt as "Your ticket is missing YQ or XYZ surcharge" with a genuinely sincere "What's that?" Never had this happen though.