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FlyerTalk Forums Thread Wiki: DL: SFO-ATL/JFK-NRT-SIN $1,232.30 ai RT (25,318 mi; 4.9 cpm)
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Why would a DL SkyPesos member do this now that RDMs are earned on ticket cost?

Either for the MQMs, or to actually visit SIN FWIW there are posts in the thread about similar itineraries on AA.

How do I search for dates/prices?

One way is to use ITA Matrix. Click on "Advanced routing codes" and enter something along the lines of:
  • outbound: dl+ dtw nrt
  • inbound: dl+ nrt dtw

NOTE: Basic Economy (E) fares have been spotted on this route and come with heavy restrictions. If you want to exclude E fares from your search you can add / f ~bc=e to the end of the routing codes, e.g. dl+ dtw nrt / f ~bc=e

See post 1329 for some screenshots.

You may wish to experiment with things like dtw,atl or x or even x+. Read the advanced routing codes help for more ideas. (DL no longer flies JFK-NRT nonstop)

I found an itinerary that works for me, how do I book it?
  • you can try a multi-city booking on Kayak or Google Flights and click through to Delta (you can save some effort by omitting the implicit/forced connection through NRT for example)
  • if you are comfortable installing add-ons etc. you can use the ITA userscript (see the wiki at the top of that thread)
  • for the less technically-inclined there is also the Book with Matrix helper site (and its related FT thread)
  • call in if none of the above methods work or e.g. you want to add a stopover

Do I need a visa?

No visa is needed for transits (or in fact for visiting up to 90 days, subject to qualifications)
You can get your boarding passes for your Delta return flight at Transit Lounge D, which opens 3 hours before departure.

What are the best seats?

Assuming you're stuck in Y (no GUCs etc.)
Picking a seat (Delta One, Boeing 777)
Master A330-300 (A333) Best Seats Thread

Will there be wifi on the international legs?

DL now touts International Wi-Fi is available on 100% of all wide body, long-haul aircraft providing near global coverage. Given "long-haul" this may not apply to NRT-SIN.

777s should all have wifi: thread #1, thread #2; although it is still subject to coverage/availability, seems to drop out in the far northern parts of the route, and coming down the Russian coast it seemed like http was slow but working and anything else like https took forever and/or was blocked

Delta doesn't seem to sell the Gogo global day pass on their web site but you can buy it directly from Gogo. You can use the same pass on both domestic and international flights in any order as long as it is within 24 hours.

FlexPerks VISA single-flight passes can NOT be used on international flights (they do not appear as a redemption choice when you sign in to Gogo in flight)

Other related threads:

Delta 763 International Wifi Installation Progress (especially posts #7 and #9)

Delta to add Gogo WiFi to international fleet

SIN airport facilities

If you are doing a quick turn, you can remain airside the whole time. There are a number of 24-hour food outlets in the transit mall areas (center of each terminal)

Each of the 3 terminals has their Transit Hotel on Level 3. Prices are similar for all:
-Terminal 1 - Plaza Premium Lounge recently opened Aerotel. Book at: Aerotel Terminal 1
-Terminal 2 and 3 - Harilela Hospitality runs an Ambassador Transit Hotel in each Terminal, above the Orchid Garden and Movie Theater, respectively. Book at: Ambassador Transit Hotels

Note that you can actually stay in either of the 3, regardless of which Terminal you arrive in. However, when leaving the airport, you need to exit through the same Terminal as that you arrived in.

FT thread on Singapore Airport Lounges

Airport website links:
NOTE: even though the DNATA Sky View lounge lists "Delta Airlines" on the airport web page and appears on a skyteam.com lounge search, it is considered by Delta to be third-party-operated, thus if you are STE+ in Y you will not have access. People have reported gaining access on an upgrade to J but YMMV.

There is free wifi either by receiving a text message code, or by scanning your passport. Previous posts mention just giving an email address, maybe try at the info desks. There are also free Internet stations.

NOTE for U.S. and other ~110V travelers: Singapore uses 230V/50Hz. There are plenty of USB charging ports in the seating areas, and most wall adapters for electronics these days are dual voltage (look for writing on the plug like "Input: 100V-240V") but if not or if you need to plug something else in, bring plug and voltage adapters to be safe.

Things to do in SIN

In descriptions of things to see/do airside, when you see "garden" read "smoking area" especially if you won't be there during daylight, the only other main reason people go there is to smoke.

SkyTrain between terminals runs from 5am-2:30am but you can always walk between any of the terminals as well.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/25605453-post1047.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24452870-post836.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24064053-post794.html
Best practices for ~5 hour turnaround at SIN
3 perfect days in Singapore
Singapore's MRT (Mass Rapid Transit)
Destinations > Asia > Singapore FT forum
cheap transportation to Marina Bay Sands (or any hotel) for S$9

Things to do on a long connection through NRT:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/24426838-post835.html

Narita Int'l. Airport (NRT) Layover & Hotel Master Thread

There is free wifi in NRT.

Returning to the US

Even if you don't have Global Entry, CBP has a Mobile Passport Control app -- see program info and app website for d/l and list of participating airports which includes ATL (but not DTW)

You will have to pick up checked bags if any, and then everyone has to go through TSA security. International connections usually have their own checkpoint but it may not have PreCheck or CLEAR. If you want to take advantage of either of these, see airport-specific info below.

Through Delta's partnership CLEAR is free for DM, $79 for other Medallions, and $99 for General Members. Click here for more info on the partnership or to sign up.

Relevant FT threads:
Returning via ATL:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Atlanta (ATL): The Definitive Thread

CLEAR is listed as "coming soon".

For PreCheck, if you arrive in F, when you exit the hallway from customs there is a ticket desk in front of you. Normally the belt for re-checking bags on the left, and TSA screening beyond that. For PreCheck turn instead to the right (away from the drop-off luggage belt) and exit into the arrivals area, go up the escalators, and then you use the regular F terminal security checkpoint.

(It seems like NRT-ATL usually lands in E though... anyone have info to share?)

Returning via DTW:

Minimum Connection Transfer Time at Detroit (DTW): The Definitive Thread

When you exit customs normally you are directed to the right for rescreening. For PreCheck or CLEAR exit to the left as if you are an local Detroit arriving passenger and you will see some escalators in front of you. Go up 3 sets of escalators (there is a security checkpoint after the 2nd set but it does not have PreCheck). There is also an elevator.

The configuration as of Jan 2017 was, CLEAR without PreCheck was near the top of the escalators. If you have both CLEAR and PreCheck, there is a separate CLEAR lane on the right.

Duty Free Liquids

This post from 2014 says liquor etc must be checked as they cannot pass through screening in NRT/TSA. However this may have changed since then, and duty-free purchases in a Sealed Tamper-Evident Bag (STEB) might be permitted:

http://www.narita-airport.jp/en/secu...ection_ss.html

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-...g/liquids-rule

FT: Bringing Duty-Free Liquids into USA with a Connecting Flight

If you have any experience with this, please share!

IRROPS handling:

Good at least for one DM: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21923836-post7.html

Trip Reports/Tips:

2016: Dec, Nov, Oct #1, Oct #2, Oct #3, Sep, Apr, Feb

2015: Nov #1, Nov #2, Oct, Sep

2014: Dec, Nov #1, Nov #2, Nov #3, Nov #4, Nov #5, Oct, Sep #1, Sep #2

2013: Oct
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Old Oct 7, 17, 11:42 pm   #2191
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Smile Fares Oct 7 - Good fare for this late in year

Only dates seen are Nov 12-14 for flights from IAH or ORD
Fares from DL.com, if still available, other dates much higher
These are the lowest fares from now till the end of the year

$685.76 21,668 MQM 3.16 cpm IAH ATL/DTW NRT SIN NRT DTW IAH
$665.76 21,009 MQM 3.17 cpm ORD ATL NRT SIN NRT DTW ORD

If you find lower fares please post and if anyone is doing a MR, please post report. Our next trip is out from IAH Nov 29 and ret Dec 13 to IAH without any UG so we will be in y. Such is life. Have a wonderful week and please remember and pray for those who have lost family and loved ones as well as those who are recovering from injuries in LAS last week. Life, health and freedom are far more important than MR. Will have to see what next year brings but don't see $15,000 MQD or $250,000 AMX spend in my future and MS of $250,000 is not in my future as there are other things more important. Time will tell.
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Old Oct 8, 17, 12:09 pm   #2192
  
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Anything interesting originating in Atlanta?
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Booking a lot of creative fares for clients this 4th quarter (the MQM panic has set in for the season) and I thought I would share a simple and very cheap Mileage Run here...I am seeing a lot of dates...but this one is easy and simple.

Works out to 17,804 MQM's at 3.7CPM and is 'Pay With Miles' eligible, if you have a co-branded AmEx/Delta Credit Card


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Old Oct 8, 17, 5:51 pm   #2193
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Smile Positioning flight needed to IAH or ORD

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Anything interesting originating in Atlanta?
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Flights from ATL NRT SIN NRT ATL/DTW are $1800+. Much better to pay for positioning flight to IAH or ORD. That is just the way it is with DL.
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Old Oct 10, 17, 7:26 pm   #2194
  
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I just discovered a $389 Roundtrip Airfare on Delta from Los Angeles to Singapore

Details here.....



$389 = Basic Economy $448 Main Cabin
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Old Oct 11, 17, 12:51 pm   #2195
  
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I just discovered a $389 Roundtrip Airfare on Delta from Los Angeles to Singapore
I discovered that fare several days ago. Apologies for not cross-posting it into this thread.
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Old Oct 11, 17, 2:14 pm   #2196
  
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I have a little over 48 hours on the ground. How would you handle accommodations?

Arrive at 12:30am on a Saturday.
Depart at 6:45am on a Monday.

I'm thinking there are really two options.
1) Grab a transit hotel room on arrival for 6 hours, sleep, freshen up, then head to the hotel drop a bag and venture out. Negatives, you're essentially stuck out and about for 9 hours until check-in.

2) Get a room for 3 nights(?) (counting Friday - Sunday nights). Negatives, extra cost of a more expensive room for an additional night.

What would you do?

Where would you stay? Thinking of the Quays or Marina Bay areas.
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Old Oct 11, 17, 3:19 pm   #2197
  
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I have a little over 48 hours on the ground. How would you handle accommodations?


What would you do?
Depends heavily on when you expect to sleep.

What I did in a recent trip with similar times was to get hotel for night of my arrival (so, your friday) through the day before my departure (your sunday) and attempt to all-nighter the previous night.

In the end, I ended up grabbing a nap room at the naproom/lounge at one of the other terminals, and slept from about 7pm-3am. I didn't feel like messing with transportation at 3 or 4 am.

There is also a proper hotel at the airport but I would assume it is significantly more expensive.
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Old Oct 12, 17, 3:33 am   #2198
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Hotels in SIN

Hotels can be expensive depending where you stay, you can check with Expedia and some of the other travel agencies for prices. Away from Orchard Rd and Marina Bay prices should be less. Enjoy your trip and give us a report
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Old Oct 12, 17, 3:46 pm   #2199
  
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I have a little over 48 hours on the ground. How would you handle accommodations?

Arrive at 12:30am on a Saturday.
Depart at 6:45am on a Monday.

I'm thinking there are really two options.
1) Grab a transit hotel room on arrival for 6 hours, sleep, freshen up, then head to the hotel drop a bag and venture out. Negatives, you're essentially stuck out and about for 9 hours until check-in.

2) Get a room for 3 nights(?) (counting Friday - Sunday nights). Negatives, extra cost of a more expensive room for an additional night.

What would you do?

Where would you stay? Thinking of the Quays or Marina Bay areas.
I am doing this identical schedule in a month or so (Sat arrive/Mon depart). I've been to Singapore several times before and know what I like upon arrival (immediate sleep). I booked the airport transit hotel for the first night, and then a very nice hotel downtown for the next two nights. Yes, my last hotel night will be abbreviated due to the early airport cab and 6:45 am flight departure, but I know I will enjoy my time in Singapore and will be very comfortable doing so.
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Old Oct 13, 17, 1:06 am   #2200
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Doing a run over Thanksgiving..

Decided to boycott Thanksgiving this year, and do a MR instead. I'm routing through DTW, and it was flagged as "FlagShip" with the new debut of the A350 for DTW-NRT portion. Booked in D1,FC and PS on return segments, upgrades were minor cost, not sure if I just caught a sale or pricing error, but went with it.

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Old Oct 13, 17, 7:08 am   #2201
  
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I booked the airport transit hotel for the first night, and then a very nice hotel downtown for the next two nights.
What do you plan to do with your bags during the day on Saturday before check-in?
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Old Oct 13, 17, 10:14 am   #2202
  
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I just wrapped up a similar trip. I was in J, so when I arrived at SIN, I was wide awake. My basic schedule was:

12:10 arrival on DL (Terminal 1)
1:00 - 4:00 am Dnata Lounge (with shower) via DL J (arrival); also available on Priority Pass
4:30 am Drop bags at Left Luggage (airside) in Terminal 2; grab MRT into city
5:00 am - 9:00 am Tour Botanical Gardens (before it got hot)
9:00 am - 1:00 pm Shop and lunch at Orchard
1:00 pm - 2:30 pm MRT to SIN, collect bags, MRT to hotel
3:00 pm Check into hotel and fall into a deep sleep.
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Old Oct 13, 17, 4:22 pm   #2203
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Decided to boycott Thanksgiving this year, and do a MR instead. I'm routing through DTW, and it was flagged as "FlagShip" with the new debut of the A350 for DTW-NRT portion. Booked in D1,FC and PS on return segments, upgrades were minor cost, not sure if I just caught a sale or pricing error, but went with it.
What kind of price did you get and what is your itin? Especially interested in how much extra they charge for PS between NRT DTW as there is no C+ available on that leg. Let us know how your run goes and please give us a trip report. We were in J on KE INC SIN in Sep and their seating was 2-3-2 and looks very similar to P S on DL. Didnít like as well as 1-2-1 in J on DL. Will be interested in your experience in PS. We chose exit row seats for NRT DET in Dec return. Thanks for in advance for your reply.
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Old Oct 15, 17, 8:36 am   #2204
  
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I have the following coming up.

Oct 23-26 - ATL-LAX-SIN
Nov 6-10 - ATL-LGA-SIN - One of the first few A350 flights!

Never been to Singapore and have a little time on the ground. When I went to Japan rented a motorcycle and made things very easy to get around. Seems a scooter/motorcycle is possible in Singapore as well. What should I do? See? Where to stay?

I am a photographer by trade so seeing stuff to photograph is a plus!
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Old Oct 15, 17, 9:22 am   #2205
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I have the following coming up.




Oct 23-26 - ATL-LAX-SIN

Nov 6-10 - ATL-LGA-SIN - One of the first few A350 flights!




Never been to Singapore and have a little time on the ground. When I went to Japan rented a motorcycle and made things very easy to get around. Seems a scooter/motorcycle is possible in Singapore as well. What should I do? See? Where to stay?




I am a photographer by trade so seeing stuff to photograph is a plus!



imho you're better without scooter. Singapore is hot as hell and there are a ton of underground streets with A/C. You will see most people use them versus going on the regular streets.




i used public transportation, both buses and subways are great and the pass is just $10 for a unlimited rides day.




we did all these in 3 days:

Day 1
  • Gardens by the bay
  • Little India
  • Kampong Glam
  • Singapore Flyer
  • Clarke Quay
  • Orchard Road shopping



Day 2
  • The Southern Ridges
  • Haw Par Villa
  • Sentosa Island
  • Lau Pa Dinner



Day 3:
  • Marina Bay Sands rooftop "ce la vie" (costs $20 but it's technically a voucher for $20 in drinks) during sunset
  • Bay Gardens at night (there's a light show at 8.30pm)
  • Marina Bay Sands light show at 10pm from Louis Vuitton island deck (outside)
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