Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Jul 31, 2014, 11:42 pm
#2686
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Giving it some more thought, it would be fantastic if they dropped US arrivals exclusively in A so that they are all "clean" and can skip security and proceed to their Schengen flights. Non-Schengen can also skip security and proceed to B (if their flight is departing from there).
I'm not saying it's a tit-for-tat situation, and I am all for abolishing useless "security" checks, but I don't think the EU will make the US "clean" until the US is prepared to do the same the other way around. And somehow I don't see that happen. But we're OT.
Jul 31, 2014, 11:59 pm
#2687
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The EU already recognizes US flights as clean. The question is why non-Schengen bus arrivals from clean origins cannot receive the same sterile treatment as clean arrivals to gates.
Aug 1, 2014, 2:02 am
#2689
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Once you are on a non-Schengen bus you cannot avoid transfer security. As security screening costs money I would have thought it is to the airline's interest to eliminate unnecessary security. I suspect LH might say it's FRAport's decision and they have no control but isn't LH by far the largest customer of FRAport and partly own(?) Pier A+? Anyway MUC can do it very well.
However, it's not just bus arrivals. The UK and Ireland are also 'clean' non-Schengen countries but apart from rare occasions when evening flights dock at Z gates connecting passengers have to clear transfer security whether their flight arrives at a B gate, C gate or a remote stand.
Aug 1, 2014, 2:30 am
#2690
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Due to the various apron construction work going on you will see more arrivals in B instead of A/Z this summer. Also LH is avoiding the use of the A+ pier for single aisle aircraft because the traffic congestion on the way out is not helpful for turnarounds.
Aug 1, 2014, 8:40 am
#2691
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It's not the bus that is "dirty". It's because once you are dumped at the terminal then you mix with other non-Schengen pax. So they should make A non-Schengen bus arrivals a clean zone only for US/UK arrivals.
I am going to try to use MUC or CPH exclusively going forward. However, on the return FRA is not so bad even with a bus gate, although a cop grabbed me in Z a few days ago after the passport control for secondary.
Malmosto: this has been in place for many years. And given your username then you might have noticed this at CPH where they rebuilt the arrivals in the C finger so that you avoid security when connecting and arriving from US or UK before going to passport control. Ok, if you are going to Malmo then you wouldn't notice it.......
Once you are on a non-Schengen bus you cannot avoid transfer security. As security screening costs money I would have thought it is to the airline's interest to eliminate unnecessary security. I suspect LH might say it's FRAport's decision and they have no control but isn't LH by far the largest customer of FRAport and partly own(?) Pier A+? Anyway MUC can do it very well.
However, it's not just bus arrivals. The UK and Ireland are also 'clean' non-Schengen countries but apart from rare occasions when evening flights dock at Z gates connecting passengers have to clear transfer security whether their flight arrives at a B gate, C gate or a remote stand.
I am going to try to use MUC or CPH exclusively going forward. However, on the return FRA is not so bad even with a bus gate, although a cop grabbed me in Z a few days ago after the passport control for secondary.
Malmosto: this has been in place for many years. And given your username then you might have noticed this at CPH where they rebuilt the arrivals in the C finger so that you avoid security when connecting and arriving from US or UK before going to passport control. Ok, if you are going to Malmo then you wouldn't notice it.......
Once you are on a non-Schengen bus you cannot avoid transfer security. As security screening costs money I would have thought it is to the airline's interest to eliminate unnecessary security. I suspect LH might say it's FRAport's decision and they have no control but isn't LH by far the largest customer of FRAport and partly own(?) Pier A+? Anyway MUC can do it very well.
However, it's not just bus arrivals. The UK and Ireland are also 'clean' non-Schengen countries but apart from rare occasions when evening flights dock at Z gates connecting passengers have to clear transfer security whether their flight arrives at a B gate, C gate or a remote stand.
Last edited by gnaget; Aug 1, 2014 at 8:47 am
Aug 1, 2014, 8:45 am
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In the "not too old" days it was very convenient to connect to NA flights. Frequently got a gate near A26. Then pop straight upstairs through a quick passport control to the Tower Lounge.
Aug 1, 2014, 10:15 am
#2693
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My experience at CPH is not extensive but it is my impression that SK (both soft and hard product) has been declining steadily for a long time now, so I tend to avoid it.
A cop or a security agent? What further questions did he or she ask you?
Aug 1, 2014, 10:37 am
#2694
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enough time to stop by FCL
Long time lurker here.. I'll have a flight coming up in oct for ORD - FRA - BKK in LH First 744 (hopefully, still waiting for the seat to open up) and Thai First 388
The connection time in fra is only 1 hour and 10 mins. I remember reading from many places that I should have enough time for connection. I'm wondering if it would be enough time to stop by the FCL to get the rubber ducky?? It'll be our first time flying LH in first and first time in FRA. We're really want to go see FCL even if we won't be able to spend anytime there.
Thanks in advance!
The connection time in fra is only 1 hour and 10 mins. I remember reading from many places that I should have enough time for connection. I'm wondering if it would be enough time to stop by the FCL to get the rubber ducky?? It'll be our first time flying LH in first and first time in FRA. We're really want to go see FCL even if we won't be able to spend anytime there.
Thanks in advance!
Aug 1, 2014, 9:56 pm
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I find MUC so much nicer than FRA, there are currently two reasons only for me to choose the latter from time to time: shorter layover or new C.
My experience at CPH is not extensive but it is my impression that SK (both soft and hard product) has been declining steadily for a long time now, so I tend to avoid it.
A cop or a security agent? What further questions did he or she ask you?
My experience at CPH is not extensive but it is my impression that SK (both soft and hard product) has been declining steadily for a long time now, so I tend to avoid it.
A cop or a security agent? What further questions did he or she ask you?
The cop told me that he was instructed to stop every 10th person. I made a huge fuss and was arguing with them.
He asks you were you are flying and I presume that you are free to go if it is not the US.
Aug 1, 2014, 10:02 pm
#2696
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Long time lurker here.. I'll have a flight coming up in oct for ORD - FRA - BKK in LH First 744 (hopefully, still waiting for the seat to open up) and Thai First 388
The connection time in fra is only 1 hour and 10 mins. I remember reading from many places that I should have enough time for connection. I'm wondering if it would be enough time to stop by the FCL to get the rubber ducky?? It'll be our first time flying LH in first and first time in FRA. We're really want to go see FCL even if we won't be able to spend anytime there.
Thanks in advance!
The connection time in fra is only 1 hour and 10 mins. I remember reading from many places that I should have enough time for connection. I'm wondering if it would be enough time to stop by the FCL to get the rubber ducky?? It'll be our first time flying LH in first and first time in FRA. We're really want to go see FCL even if we won't be able to spend anytime there.
Thanks in advance!
If it's tight and you are in F then you will get a car at the plane (for remote stand) or an escort. In theory they should be able to take you to the next plane since you are in transit and do not require security from the US but that would be too logical....
Aug 2, 2014, 1:15 am
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Long time lurker here.. I'll have a flight coming up in oct for ORD - FRA - BKK in LH First 744 (hopefully, still waiting for the seat to open up) and Thai First 388
The connection time in fra is only 1 hour and 10 mins. I remember reading from many places that I should have enough time for connection. I'm wondering if it would be enough time to stop by the FCL to get the rubber ducky?? It'll be our first time flying LH in first and first time in FRA. We're really want to go see FCL even if we won't be able to spend anytime there.
Thanks in advance!
The connection time in fra is only 1 hour and 10 mins. I remember reading from many places that I should have enough time for connection. I'm wondering if it would be enough time to stop by the FCL to get the rubber ducky?? It'll be our first time flying LH in first and first time in FRA. We're really want to go see FCL even if we won't be able to spend anytime there.
Thanks in advance!
If your flight from ORD arrives on time you should be able to spend some time in the FCL before your TG flight.
Aug 2, 2014, 1:30 am
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If it's tight and you are in F then you will get a car at the plane (for remote stand) or an escort. In theory they should be able to take you to the next plane since you are in transit and do not require security from the US but that would be too logical....
Unless you pay for the VIP service this is unlikely to happen between LH and TG flights even if you hold a shiny black card. 
Aug 3, 2014, 9:08 pm
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It would be if you arrive in Z from the US. However, the OP is departing on TG which always leaves from B.
Dream on! Unless you pay for the VIP service this is unlikely to happen between LH and TG flights even if you hold a shiny black card.
Dream on!
Unless you pay for the VIP service this is unlikely to happen between LH and TG flights even if you hold a shiny black card. So you cannot get from Z to B without doing security?? That sucks. You can freely go from Z to A (Schengen) without security so then surely you can go Z to B?? But you have to enter and exit Schengen if you go via A. FRA is a Kafkaesque nightmare.
At MUC it is fantastic for non-Schengen connections.
I flew ORD-MUC-IST last year and it was perfect. The IST flight was about one gate over from where I arrived so it was literally a potential 1 minute connection time.
Aug 4, 2014, 1:51 am
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I guess a LH flight to BKK might depart from Z? Isn't C mostly Latin America and Canada?
So you cannot get from Z to B without doing security?? That sucks. You can freely go from Z to A (Schengen) without security so then surely you can go Z to B?? But you have to enter and exit Schengen if you go via A. FRA is a Kafkaesque nightmare.