Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
Last edit by: oliver2002
Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:
Code:
DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22 FRA LH TO LH FRA-FRA FROM - TO D/D D/I I/D I/I CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM LH BUS - ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH - TRN 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH BR - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH CN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH EG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ET - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH IN - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH JP - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH QA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SG - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH TH - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH US - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH ZA - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH - US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH KJR - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KWQ - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QDU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKL - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH QKU - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH ZWS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH KLT BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH SDA BUS - ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH 0400-0799 - ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH Y- TRN 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KJR Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KWQ Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QDU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKL Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH QKU Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH ZWS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH KLT BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH SDA BUS Y- 0100 ---- ---- ---- LH CA- ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH AC- TRN ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH PL LO- ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH PL LO- SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 TRN -LH ---- 0100 0100 0100 -LH BR ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH CN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH EG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ET ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH IN ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH JP ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH QA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH SG ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH US ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH ZA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 -LH TLV ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRN -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 TRS -LH TLV ---- 0200 ---- 0200 -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH -LH BUS 0100 0100 0100 0100 LH TRN -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH TRS -LH BUS INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRN INV INV INV INV LH BUS -LH TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC BUS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRN -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC TRS -LH ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH SC BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH -LH SC TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH SC TRN -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRN INV INV INV INV LH SC TRN -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH SC TRS -LH SC TRS INV INV INV INV LH XER BUS -LH SC ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH TLV ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH BUS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRN ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH 0400-0799 -LH TRS ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH BUS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRN -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH TRS -LH 0400-0799 ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 SG ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC -LH 0400-0799 ZA ---- 0045 ---- 0045 LH SC TRS -LH 0400-0799 US ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH BUS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH BUS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRN -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH TRS -LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH Y-LH BUS ---- 0100 ---- ---- LH AC-LH TRN ---- ---- 0200 ---- LH US UA-LH ---- ---- 0100 0100 LH UA-LH BY ---- ---- ---- INV LH EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO ---- ---- ---- 0800 LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 BUS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRN Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- LH 0400-0799 -LH 0001-3799 TRS Y ---- ---- 0100 ---- -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0100 -LH AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115 -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 -LH PL LO ---- 0100 ---- ---- -LH BR OS ---- 0100 ---- ---- SC -LH PL LO ---- ---- ---- 0100 LH -LH UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100 LH -LH XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130 LH BUS -LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200 LH TRN -LH UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH BY -LH UA ---- ---- ---- INV LH QDU -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH QKL -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH ZWS -LH US UA ---- 0130 ---- ---- LH LG-LH AC ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH LG ---- ---- ---- 0200 LH AC-LH AT OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
Connecting in Frankfurt [FRA] 2009-2023 (retired)
Jul 20, 2014, 11:24 am
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It was closed three out of three times I transited FRA in the past six months, at various times of day. Signs were illuminated, but no sign of life otherwise. Ergo, I wouldn't count on it.
Jul 20, 2014, 11:42 am
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In that case the OP's sister-in-law and the girls had better go directly to the central passport control area without wasting a few minutes to go upstairs to check.
Jul 20, 2014, 12:11 pm
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According to LH.com tomorrow's LH839 from BLL is expected to arrive at A34 and LH404 to JFK is expected to depart from Z58. Although the gates can change on the day, especially the arrival gate, your sister-in-law and the two girls can expect to walk at least 1km (with some walkways) between the two gates.
I have marked A34 (red circle) and Z58 (blue circe) on this map. Z58 is one level above but occupies the same position as A58 on the map.
From their arrival gate they will have to go to the central area where the old and new piers meet to go through passport control (and possibly document check) go up one level to Z and walk to the departure gate. There might be an additional passport control above gate A26 but I'm not certain if it is open. They should follow the signs for their departure gate and move as quickly as possible. If the flight from BLL is a bus arrival they will be dropped nearer the central area and should have less to walk.
You may also like to check the first post of the FRA connection thread.
I have marked A34 (red circle) and Z58 (blue circe) on this map. Z58 is one level above but occupies the same position as A58 on the map.
From their arrival gate they will have to go to the central area where the old and new piers meet to go through passport control (and possibly document check) go up one level to Z and walk to the departure gate. There might be an additional passport control above gate A26 but I'm not certain if it is open. They should follow the signs for their departure gate and move as quickly as possible. If the flight from BLL is a bus arrival they will be dropped nearer the central area and should have less to walk.
You may also like to check the first post of the FRA connection thread.
But I agree, it is a 10 - 15 min stretch to walk through the A concourse.
Jul 20, 2014, 1:26 pm
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Only thing to add is to appear at the security gate and ask to use the fast lane because you are on a tight connection and point out the departure time on your BP; traveling with kids, they should accommodate you.
But I agree, it is a 10 - 15 min stretch to walk through the A concourse.
But I agree, it is a 10 - 15 min stretch to walk through the A concourse.
Jul 20, 2014, 11:49 pm
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Billund is Denmark and therefore the flight is not originating in a Schengen country. Security is the same as if they were arriving from UK or Asia.
Jul 21, 2014, 12:16 am
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Denmark is a Schengen country.
Jul 21, 2014, 12:22 am
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Actually re-clearing security has nothing to do with Schengen/non-Schengen. One Stop Security should operate within the EU but unfortunately some countries (e.g. UK) have opted out and some airports (e.g. FRA) cannot operate it consistently. If you arrive in FRA from the UK you should not need to re-clear security but since most flights ex-UK arrive at B gates there is no way you can avoid transfer security. Some evening flights from the UK arrive at Z gates and you can avoid transfer security as long as you are connecting from certain gates. MUC can operate this arrangement very well. All ex-UK (and ex-US) flights arrive on Level H (rather than Level I which is an 'unclean' arrival level) and connecting passengers don't need to re-clear security.
Jul 21, 2014, 2:43 am
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Someone may want to ask at the new business lounge (former FCL A) which is located directly next to this passport control point and should be able to provide the information.
Jul 21, 2014, 4:44 am
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But Denmark is a Schengen country (with the exception of Greenland and the Faroe Islands). If your flight arrives at an A gate you don't have to clear security before a connecting flight.
Jul 21, 2014, 10:48 am
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Jul 21, 2014, 11:05 am
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Hello everyone! 
The next 28th of July I've got a flight to SFO with connection in Frankfurt.
I've read some messages of this thread and also I downloaded the FRA Airport App and even studied maps of the airport
But I still have some doubts... Hope you can help me!
My complete itinerary is MAD-FRA-SFO (MAD-FRA is flight LH1121 and FRA-SFO is LH454)
1)I have 1h and 35 minutes to do the connection, it's enought?
2) I've seen that flight LH1121 usually arrives at A-pier, in Brigde gates or Bus Gates. Do I have to go throught security check to go to Z-gates? Or only a Passport Control? (Flight LH454 departs from Z-gates, or that's what I've read)
3)There's any problem with mobile boarding pass and Passport controls? I read something about they put a sticker on you boarding pass or even they stamp it! I need to use the mobile boarding pass because I can't print it.
4)Lufthansa's Quick Boarding works with a mobile boarding pass? I think yes, but I don't know
Sorry if this questions are a little bit dumb... My first in such a big trip!
Thank you very much!
The next 28th of July I've got a flight to SFO with connection in Frankfurt.
I've read some messages of this thread and also I downloaded the FRA Airport App and even studied maps of the airport
But I still have some doubts... Hope you can help me!My complete itinerary is MAD-FRA-SFO (MAD-FRA is flight LH1121 and FRA-SFO is LH454)
1)I have 1h and 35 minutes to do the connection, it's enought?
2) I've seen that flight LH1121 usually arrives at A-pier, in Brigde gates or Bus Gates. Do I have to go throught security check to go to Z-gates? Or only a Passport Control? (Flight LH454 departs from Z-gates, or that's what I've read)
3)There's any problem with mobile boarding pass and Passport controls? I read something about they put a sticker on you boarding pass or even they stamp it! I need to use the mobile boarding pass because I can't print it.
4)Lufthansa's Quick Boarding works with a mobile boarding pass? I think yes, but I don't know
Sorry if this questions are a little bit dumb... My first in such a big trip!
Thank you very much!
1 hr 35 mins should be enough for a connection in FRA. You don't need to clear security, just passport control. You shouldn't have any problem with a mobile boarding pass. If you have the time in MAD, you can have boarding passes printed for both segments but it really shouldn't be necessary.
Please check post #2623 for more information on connecting from a Schengen country (e.g. Spain) to the US.
Jul 21, 2014, 11:11 am
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Today's LH839 was a bus arrival 13 minutes late at T1A but LH404 departed 24 minutes late from gate Z62. I trust rinconmike's sister-in-law made the connection.
Jul 21, 2014, 11:47 am
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thanks again.
Mike
Jul 22, 2014, 5:00 am
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FYI. They made it through. There were two other people on the same next flight. LH had a bus waiting for the five of them and took them to the passport checkpoint. However, she was pulled for extra screening so that took a while and she thought she would miss the flight, but she got there on time. Not sure if they held the flight for them or if it was delayed for other reasons. Even with the delayed departure, they landed early.
thanks again for the help.
thanks again for the help.
Jul 22, 2014, 5:02 am
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For IAD-FRA there are 4 flights, two UA metal and two LH metal. I have taken UA 989 twice and it gets a remote stand (V gate). I also looked at some days and the LH flights get Z gates whereas UA gets remote stands or once a C gate. I connect to flights from A gates and I would like to avoid security check and a long walk. I guess the solution is to fly LH but then I don't get Pre-Check in the US.......
From the remote stand you get dumped via bus in B. So I guess that you are then "contaminated" so there is no chance to avoid security if you get a remote stand? Why can't they bring the bus so that you are in a "clean" area for US/UK arrivals?
What's the best way to connect to A from a longhaul remote stand? There is a passport control right there on the lower level and then you head toward the arrivals terminal but make a U-turn to security (which security is this? transit only?). Here they are "worse than TSA-psychotic". And then you get the long walk in the tunnel.
Is it faster if I head up the escalator and enter the B non-Schengen area? Can you enter the B non-Schengen without security?
From the remote stand you get dumped via bus in B. So I guess that you are then "contaminated" so there is no chance to avoid security if you get a remote stand? Why can't they bring the bus so that you are in a "clean" area for US/UK arrivals?
What's the best way to connect to A from a longhaul remote stand? There is a passport control right there on the lower level and then you head toward the arrivals terminal but make a U-turn to security (which security is this? transit only?). Here they are "worse than TSA-psychotic". And then you get the long walk in the tunnel.
Is it faster if I head up the escalator and enter the B non-Schengen area? Can you enter the B non-Schengen without security?