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JONEZY00 Sep 27, 2021 1:19 pm

deleted old submission (which had been sitting unprocessed for 10 days) and re-submitted at 0700CET. Got replies and approvals within ten minutes. Thanks to everyone who submitted assistance and DP's.

theplayer Sep 27, 2021 3:09 pm

Anyone else find this time of submission and getting approved a little ridiculous? So, if submitted during working morning hours in France, someone sees the email and instantly decides to approve the application even though there are many, many more apps submitted weeks before? That's crazy.

JMB_Austin Sep 28, 2021 6:45 am

Deleted old submission and submitted new application at 7AM CET (midnight CST today). Nothing! So frustrating...

Happy Sep 28, 2021 9:33 am


Originally Posted by gnomey (Post 33600415)
Submitting at 6:30 am France time is still working. My previous application went unprocessed but a subsequent application worked.
It seems like it's automated - as long as you submit at the start of their office hour.

Indeed. The process seems an automated process from every aspect of it. There is no way a human would finish the review and generate the approval within a few minutes the application is accepted - just by opening the attached files in each category would take close to 10 min, yet many approvals received within 3 to 5 min.

I urged a friend to redo theirs as early as possible and not to wait till the following Monday - he did theirs on Friday France morning time. His first but took longer to get the approval, like 45 min but his wife's submitted after his, got the approval in 3 min. Very Radom, YES. But it is working for most people and that is all that matters!

Otherwise the CDC cards work everywhere, as well as certain pharmacies still do the conversion with 20 euro fee, though the one at CDG would gouge you at 35 euro, but get it done in a few minutes. So if you feel you must have the QR and the online method still wont give you one, you still have enough back ups when arrive Paris.

JMB_Austin Sep 28, 2021 10:15 am

Thanks for all the info. I'm going to try one more time at 6:30am CET and see what happens. If this doesn't work, I'll try the pharmacy at CDG - I would have happily paid 35 euros to the website for a guaranteed quick TAT lol.. We will be in smaller cities in France so worried the CDC card won't be accepted.

theplayer Sep 28, 2021 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by Happy (Post 33602732)
Indeed. The process seems an automated process from every aspect of it. There is no way a human would finish the review and generate the approval within a few minutes the application is accepted - just by opening the attached files in each category would take close to 10 min, yet many approvals received within 3 to 5 min.

I urged a friend to redo theirs as early as possible and not to wait till the following Monday - he did theirs on Friday France morning time. His first but took longer to get the approval, like 45 min but his wife's submitted after his, got the approval in 3 min. Very Radom, YES. But it is working for most people and that is all that matters!

Otherwise the CDC cards work everywhere, as well as certain pharmacies still do the conversion with 20 euro fee, though the one at CDG would gouge you at 35 euro, but get it done in a few minutes. So if you feel you must have the QR and the online method still wont give you one, you still have enough back ups when arrive Paris.

CDC work for trains?

Happy Sep 28, 2021 7:13 pm


Originally Posted by theplayer (Post 33603334)
CDC work for trains?

According on DPs reported on TripAdvisor, Yes, CDC card works for long distance trains, incl one poster said he was spot checked on train cross the border from Italy. Another poster said he was spot checked on train from Bodeaux. Both just had CDC cards without QR code.

Pochama Sep 28, 2021 10:57 pm

Submitted 3 applications after 6:30AM (Paris time). The first two got approvals within 5 minutes. Still waiting on the third, but will report back tomorrow morning (US Eastern time). Went ahead and deleted the 2 week old submissions on the first two approved accounts.

edit: nothing for the third application, gonna attempt again tonight.

gnomey Sep 28, 2021 11:45 pm


Originally Posted by JMB_Austin (Post 33602293)
Deleted old submission and submitted new application at 7AM CET (midnight CST today). Nothing! So frustrating...

maybe IPs get blacklisted if get repeat / "spammed" applications

i really dont think any human is reviewing this. it's automated.

do you really think any French is sitting behind computer at 6:30 am clicking the "Approve" button?

theplayer Sep 29, 2021 5:11 pm


Originally Posted by gnomey (Post 33604584)
maybe IPs get blacklisted if get repeat / "spammed" applications

i really dont think any human is reviewing this. it's automated.

do you really think any French is sitting behind computer at 6:30 am clicking the "Approve" button?

so why are they only auto approved in a short window in the AM? Why not the whole business day, or 24 hours for that matter. And how can they give an automated approval without someone looking at the documents? The whole thing seems crazy.

gnomey Sep 29, 2021 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by theplayer (Post 33606667)
so why are they only auto approved in a short window in the AM? Why not the whole business day, or 24 hours for that matter. And how can they give an automated approval without someone looking at the documents? The whole thing seems crazy.

I am assuming they do have some AI in place to scan for keywords - matching name , dob. then maybe once the 9 am office hour start, automation gets turned off and things become manual. and whoever working on this has not been systematic in approving applications

this can be easily tested. put in your dog's name, dob, dog passport lol, dummy self made vac card of a human's name and submit at 6:30 am weekday and see what happen . would be an interesting experiment.

theplayer Sep 29, 2021 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by gnomey (Post 33606767)
I am assuming they do have some AI in place to scan for keywords - matching name , dob. then maybe once the 9 am office hour start, automation gets turned off and things become manual. and whoever working on this has not been systematic in approving applications

this can be easily tested. put in your dog's name, dob, dog passport lol, dummy self made vac card of a human's name and submit at 6:30 am weekday and see what happen . would be an interesting experiment.

maybe, but CDC cards are in hand print(at least mine is) and this is the most important document that they are getting.

Yoomi Han Sep 30, 2021 5:15 am

Has anyone had luck asking a French national to request the pass for you? I saw a reply on a Tripadvisor thread where the poster was able to ask his hotel concierge to convert his CDC card into the pass. I've tried submitting through the application a couple times now but am thinking I will not be receiving my code in time for my trip next week.

Jontology Sep 30, 2021 6:18 am

I wanted to give everyone an example of a successful navigation of the health pass system late last night / early this morning.

My fiancée and I had both originally applied for the health pass Sunday evening, 9/26 (about 3 AM in France). Like most others here, we had not heard anything back at all. Therefore, we decided to retry the application process late last night. Here are the steps we followed all on 9/30:


1 AM Eastern (7 AM in France): I submitted a new application with a new email address in a new browser
- this application was later approved at about 1:45 AM Eastern

1:20 AM Eastern (7:20 AM in France): my fiancée also created a new application with a new email in a new browser.
- this application was never approved (but we manually canceled it before 2 AM Eastern for reasons following).

1:40 AM Eastern (7:40 AM in France): both my fiancée and I added a second file to our accounts with the other persons information. I had not realized this was even possible until last night. To do this you hit the “Dossiers” (“Files” is using chrome with translate on), and then select the action to submit another file.
- on my account, my fiancée’s application was approved within 60 second (about 1:40 AM Eastern)

Once we both had our passes we went back and deleted the other applications.

Lastly, we told a family friend who had also been waiting to get a health pass (waiting about a week) to try this morning. They reapplied at 7:25 AM Eastern (also 9/30). Their application was approved at 7:35 AM Eastern.


In short, the experience others have had while applying during French working hours worked for us and a family friend. We applied between 1 AM and 8 AM Eastern, with is between 7AM and 2 PM in France. We all had approvals in under an hour (between immediately to 45 minutes to be specific), but some of our files while doing this also seemed to get stuck. Any application that took over an hour was never approved (though we did cancel them so don’t know how much longer we would have waiting).

Hope this helps someone here. If you see this post before 10 AM Eastern, and have been waiting for days on your original, I would try to quickly resubmit a new application.

Happy Sep 30, 2021 8:05 am


Originally Posted by gnomey (Post 33604584)
maybe IPs get blacklisted if get repeat / "spammed" applications

i really dont think any human is reviewing this. it's automated.

do you really think any French is sitting behind computer at 6:30 am clicking the "Approve" button?

Agree. Especially those who submitted 2nd, 3rd, 4th applications within a few days when their 2nd or 3rd one did not yield any result. One poster on Trip Advisor did exactly that, and submitted theirs at just past Midnight France time, thinking theirs would be the first in queue for a human eye the next morning, despite the "instant approvals" have been going on for 3 weeks or more by now, and almost all happened within a few minutes in a specific time frame when the applications arrive - that seems to between 6:00 to 10:00 am France time with the most successes reported being done between 8:00 to 9:00am hour... Though pages back on this very thread someone also said around Lunch France Time seems working also. But the poster has not said what exactly is the "Lunch Time"... Presumably it is between 1 to 2pm France time? Since this is a Lone DP, with the majority of the successes were done in the 6 to 10am France time, personally I chose the 8:30am France time spot, and just created a new file under the same account.

It is so obvious that there is no human eyes actually review those "instant approvals" because there is no way a human can open each attached file to review the info, match with the data on the application then approve the application.

When I edited my flight info, I decided to open each file to see how long it took me to finish "reviewing" all files - it is at least 10 min to just open the file, without going thru the details on each one ... Yet the "instant approvals" often came within 3 to 5 min after the acknowledgement of receiving the submission.


Originally Posted by gnomey (Post 33606767)
I am assuming they do have some AI in place to scan for keywords - matching name , dob. then maybe once the 9 am office hour start, automation gets turned off and things become manual. and whoever working on this has not been systematic in approving applications

this can be easily tested. put in your dog's name, dob, dog passport lol, dummy self made vac card of a human's name and submit at 6:30 am weekday and see what happen . would be an interesting experiment.

Entirely possible about the turning off of automation.


Originally Posted by theplayer (Post 33606667)
so why are they only auto approved in a short window in the AM? Why not the whole business day, or 24 hours for that matter. And how can they give an automated approval without someone looking at the documents? The whole thing seems crazy.

A glitch in the system? So that is never an intention for such happening? That may get plugged any given time when discovered?

Since the whole process has NO LOGIC whatsoever from the beginning when the applications were submitted thru a dedicated email address, and are getting more weird since it has moved to online application, many are wised up and just followed the "proven" path instead of trying to find any sensible logic in the process because there is NONE, at least not for anyone who has tried to rationalize it!

That was the primary reason I told a friend to do it Friday morning France time instead of waiting for this Monday because you never know how long this can last!


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