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wysiwyg Jul 16, 2021 9:03 am


Originally Posted by Bluehen1 (Post 33412489)
I just happened to look up my vaccination record on the CVS app. It provides a QR code with the details. I wonder if that will work. I’m slated to be back in Paris at the end of August.

Having a QR code doesn’t mean it can be universally acccepted. A QR code is just like a bar code. The French system doesn’t have access to the CDC info at this time,

SEA-Flyer Jul 16, 2021 10:35 am


Originally Posted by Orange County Commuter (Post 33412414)
This appears to be new on the US Embassy site

" For people vaccinated in the United States with a CDC card, any willing French doctor or pharmacist can enter the vaccination information in the French system, even for people who do not have a French social security number or carte vitale. This will allow the person to generate a paper or electronic (through the French Tous Anti Covid app) version of the health pass."

COVID-19 Information | U.S. Embassy & Consulates in France (usembassy.gov)


Of course how would you find a "willing" person to do this? Let's see I am sure pharmacists in Paris want to spend hours putting in vaccine info for tourists... Maybe if they can charge? but...

Encouraging, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable if this info came from the French government instead of the American embassy, as the French government is obviously more authoritative on this.

kerouac2 Jul 16, 2021 2:07 pm


Originally Posted by Goldorak (Post 33407753)
Not really 2000 : it's 45.000 !!

It is up to 45,000 It is a progressive fine, but the media absolutely love to quote the highest possible figure.

follonica2 Jul 16, 2021 7:05 pm

When I received my COVID vaccines last spring at Ascension/St Agnes hospital in Baltimore, they did not give CDC cards. Instead, it was their own card marked "Ascension." All the information is there, but I wonder if I am going to run into trouble using it to travel to France. I realize with the current confusion of the passe sanitaire, etc, much is not clear. Can anyone offer any insight into using non-CDC cards? I have not been to find anything online about this.

Thanks.

downinit Jul 16, 2021 7:09 pm

Disneyland Paris has updated their website with some vague language that suggests that the CDC card MAY be accepted. Unfortunately, I do not think we will get a better answer between now and 21 July (I am due to be there on 22 July).


What is the Health Pass that will be required to visit Disneyland Paris?

According to information available from the French government, as of the issue date of this page, a Health Pass must be presented in digital or paper form, to verify one of three things:
That a guest is fully vaccinated (with an EMA-approved vaccine):
- Two weeks after the second shot for two-shot vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca);
- Four weeks after the shot for one-shot vaccines (Johnson & Johnson);
- Two weeks after the shot for vaccines administered to people who have already had COVID-19 (only one dose is necessary).
OR that a guest has been tested (PCR or Antigen) and has a negative result within the last 48 hours;
OR for persons who have had COVID-19: the result of a positive RT-PCR or Antigen test, attesting that the individual has been infected, and that a period of time of at least 11 days and less than 6 months has passed since the test result was obtained (considered as a recovery certificate).

Guests can present any form of Health Pass, including the EU digital COVID-19 certificate, or equivalent for non-European Union countries, which fulfills the criteria outlined above.
For more information on the Health Pass, including the latest updates, we invite you to visit the French government website. You will need to present a valid ID with your Health Pass.

nov11 Jul 17, 2021 2:47 am

I walked into a pharmacy earlier and asked about the pass sanitaire for people who aren't French residents and received their vaccine outside of the EU. She was super friendly and told me it's not possible.

She showed me the screen and she said she need to enter the patient number or NIR (French social security number). Without either of those two numbers, she can't proceed. She then proceeded to show me that if she entered a valid number (she entered her own), all the information pulled up (vaccination etc.) and she can print a paper for the Tous Anti Covid app for the digital cert. She said as of now, she can only print the pass sanitaire QR code for French residents (or people who have French NIR) who are vaccinated in the EU.

Goldorak Jul 17, 2021 4:07 am


Originally Posted by nov11 (Post 33414293)
I walked into a pharmacy earlier and asked about the pass sanitaire for people who aren't French residents and received their vaccine outside of the EU. She was super friendly and told me it's not possible.

She showed me the screen and she said she need to enter the patient number or NIR (French social security number). Without either of those two numbers, she can't proceed. She then proceeded to show me that if she entered a valid number (she entered her own), all the information pulled up (vaccination etc.) and she can print a paper for the Tous Anti Covid app for the digital cert. She said as of now, she can only print the pass sanitaire QR code for French residents (or people who have French NIR) who are vaccinated in the EU.

Thanks for this report. I am not surprised by this, I was feeling very skeptical reading the US embassy statement reported above.

JojaFlyer Jul 17, 2021 7:24 am

I’m really glad I found this thread; I am scheduled to depart on a business trip on July 31 landing in France on August 1 and remaining in France for one week so these new changes sound like they will certainly be implemented before & during my trip. Prior to finding this thread I had only been tracking French country entry requirements. I don’t speak or read French so I appreciate the translations and expert opinion provided in this thread.

I am fully vaccinated, in the US with just the paper CDC vaccination card. I am traveling with an anti-vaxxer coworker.

Based on what I have interpreted from what has been posted here is that the optimistic outlook for my trip is: my CDC card is accepted and I can enter restaurants, but my unvaccinated colleague will have to get tested every 48 hours with negative result of course in order to do so. And the pessimistic outlook is: both of us will have to get tested with a negative result every 48 hours in order to go to restaurants.

I understand this is a highly fluid situation that has not been voted on by the French government yet so may change. But I would appreciate feedback on if my current interpretation is incorrect. I’m thinking my unvaccinated colleague might want to cancel his trip for now

thanks in advance!

Goldorak Jul 17, 2021 7:33 am


Originally Posted by JojaFlyer (Post 33414572)
I’m really glad I found this thread; I am scheduled to depart on a business trip on July 31 landing in France on August 1 and remaining in France for one week so these new changes sound like they will certainly be implemented before & during my trip. Prior to finding this thread I had only been tracking French country entry requirements. I don’t speak or read French so I appreciate the translations and expert opinion provided in this thread.

I am fully vaccinated, in the US with just the paper CDC vaccination card. I am traveling with an anti-vaxxer coworker.

Based on what I have interpreted from what has been posted here is that the optimistic outlook for my trip is: my CDC card is accepted and I can enter restaurants, but my unvaccinated colleague will have to get tested every 48 hours with negative result of course in order to do so. And the pessimistic outlook is: both of us will have to get tested with a negative result every 48 hours in order to go to restaurants.

I understand this is a highly fluid situation that has not been voted on by the French government yet so may change. But I would appreciate feedback on if my current interpretation is incorrect. I’m thinking my unvaccinated colleague might want to cancel his trip for now

thanks in advance!

your interpretation is correct.

downinit Jul 17, 2021 10:06 am


Originally Posted by JojaFlyer (Post 33414572)
I am traveling with an anti-vaxxer coworker.

Another very real risk and consideration is that if your coworker tests positive, you could get roped into a quarantine situation alongside them. Definitely reconsider.

nomiiiii Jul 17, 2021 10:43 am

Another issue, if you're landing on August 1st which is a Sunday is that you can't find pharmacies open for antigen test on Sunday. So no green pass the first day, prepare to be hungry till Monday?

I'm arriving in France on Sunday via road (from Andorra) and tbh that is my biggest concern, all pharmacies closed on Sunday for any health pass via test even if I have the CDC card.

JojaFlyer Jul 17, 2021 11:43 am


Originally Posted by downinit (Post 33414875)
Another very real risk and consideration is that if your coworker tests positive, you could get roped into a quarantine situation alongside them. Definitely reconsider.

I had not thought of that; thanks [MENTION=258502]downinit[/MENTION].We are traveling under separate travel record locators (though are booked on the same flights). In that sense there’s nothing formal linking him to me. If he tests positive but I test negative, I have been assuming that my travel plans would be unaffected. Does anyone here have any information about what happens in that situation, to a negative-test result colleague of someone who tests positive?

JojaFlyer Jul 17, 2021 11:48 am


Originally Posted by nomiiiii (Post 33414967)
Another issue, if you're landing on August 1st which is a Sunday is that you can't find pharmacies open for antigen test on Sunday. So no green pass the first day, prepare to be hungry till Monday?

I'm arriving in France on Sunday via road (from Andorra) and tbh that is my biggest concern, all pharmacies closed on Sunday for any health pass via test even if I have the CDC card.

Another great point, thank you [MENTION=865042]nomiiiii[/MENTION]i! My hotel has a restaurant which I know serves breakfast but I’m not sure if it’s open for dinner. I could bring granola bars to tide me over but then I would need to deal with the pharmacy issue on Monday when I will be in all day business activities. I will look into the possibility of bumping my travel back one day to arrive on Saturday. Thank you!

lobo411 Jul 17, 2021 11:57 am


Originally Posted by JojaFlyer (Post 33415113)
Another great point, thank you [MENTION=865042]nomiiiii[/MENTION]i! My hotel has a restaurant which I know serves breakfast but I’m not sure if it’s open for dinner. I could bring granola bars to tide me over but then I would need to deal with the pharmacy issue on Monday when I will be in all day business activities. I will look into the possibility of bumping my travel back one day to arrive on Saturday. Thank you!

Maybe it's in this thread...I'm too lazy to look! But I've seen folks saying that the current talk is that the pass won't be required to enter a straight grocery store, but it might be required to enter a hypermarket that sells groceries, clothes and other things. So I don't think you'll have to live off of granola bars unless you're on a diet...and if you're on a granola diet, you're gonna gain weight! =D

david22 Jul 17, 2021 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by JojaFlyer (Post 33415108)
I have been assuming that my travel plans would be unaffected. Does anyone here have any information about what happens in that situation, to a negative-test result colleague of someone who tests positive?

The CDC says that vaccinated people with no symptoms don't need to isolate or quarantine (or even test) if they had contact with someone who tested positive, except in a few specific cases ("residents and employees of correctional and detention facilities and homeless shelters"). So on that front you should be fine coming back to the US

OTOH France says, "You must self-isolate for 7 days from the last time you were in contact with the person who has the virus, even if you have a negative test result."


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