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Channel28 Jul 23, 2021 10:37 am

We have so far had no issues with cdc cards. As I think is generally understood right now, our cdc card is our passe sanitaire. We were walking by a large casino today and decided to test it - the only thing that threw them for a loop was the one shot j&j. They wanted to see two entries. They conferred for a while, asked us to wait while they went to check, then came back and let us in. We “donated” 20e for their trouble

SFO777 Jul 23, 2021 10:46 am


Originally Posted by Channel28 (Post 33431628)
We have so far had no issues with cdc cards. As I think is generally understood right now, our cdc card is our passe sanitaire. We were walking by a large casino today and decided to test it - the only thing that threw them for a loop was the one shot j&j. They wanted to see two entries. They conferred for a while, asked us to wait while they went to check, then came back and let us in. We “donated” 20e for their trouble

Which is consistent with this...

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3cbc9fd306.png

Adam1222 Jul 23, 2021 11:03 am


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 33431105)
We were thinking about heading to France soon, but wow... this just seems like a hot steaming mess... :(

Regards

Doesn't seem like anyone is having trouble enjoying France. At best, there's an administrative hassle--which will likely decrease as pharmacists and others get used to the system. Seems a fair tradeoff to get to enjoy world travel during a pandemic.

lobo411 Jul 23, 2021 11:20 am


Originally Posted by Seph87 (Post 33431099)
So over the course of a two week vacation, you'd be taking seven tests, which ups your chances of a false positive from 0.1% to roughly 0.7% using the worst-case numbers. That's less than one in a hundred. I guess it depends on each individual's risk tolerance, but for me I'd be fine taking that gamble if the alternative was not going on my trip.

Yup, thanks for the math! I've also read that false negatives are far more common with antigen tests, so the risk of a false positive isn't terrible.

On thing that might be more problematic about the antigen testing, though...the latest data out of Los Angeles County (5 million vaccinated people, and the Indian variant's domination is now functionally complete) is that the percentage of positive covid tests that were in fully vaccinated people was 20%!Most of those were mild or asymptomatic, but...if you're testing every 2 days and you're one of the unlucky 20% of vaccinated folks, you're looking at 10 days in quarantine.

https://deadline.com/2021/07/delta-v...le-1234798599/

Bogwoppit Jul 23, 2021 2:15 pm

We showed our Quebec QR code at the Mont St Michel Abbey today, they took them with no issues.

kerouac2 Jul 23, 2021 3:24 pm

This might be helpful:

Transform American vaccine card into French health pass (parisbymouth.com)

aleksir Jul 23, 2021 3:57 pm


Originally Posted by Landing Gear (Post 33429990)
Do you happen to have a link to the original French page lest the pharmacist think this one louche?

I do not unfortunately.

zkzkz Jul 23, 2021 5:14 pm


Originally Posted by wysiwyg (Post 33426589)
Also, remember that a Quebec (or any other country/province/state) QR code is useless to them if they don’t have the ability to connect to your own health department backend system.

This is absolutely not true. This is not how it works, or at least not how it's supposed to work.

The barcodes are signed by a private key by the health department. It can be verified by anyone who has the public key. So you would normally load all the public keys for the authorities you accept into the scanner software in advance. The only time you need a "connection" is to initially load those keys or subsequently to check if the keys have been revoked. But that connection is over the internet to a public web site and would typically be done once while packaging up the scanner software rather than at the time the app is being used to make it work reliably offline.

The scanner software can then verify that the barcode is signed by a trusted key entirely offline. It doesn't need to make a connection back to any internal server. It might make a connection to a public web server to verify the key hasn't been revoked but I doubt most scanners even do that.

The scanner cannot verify that the certificate is for the person presenting it. The certificate contains the name and birth date which the software must display so the operator can compare it with an ID card, presumably with a photo and other anti-fraud mechanisms.

Landing Gear Jul 23, 2021 6:16 pm


Originally Posted by aleksir (Post 33427293)
mk712
that is correct, it was a interpretation of the steps based on that website. No one seemed to have a process so I hope someone can give it a shot. There is also the original in french if that helps. There is a small mention about using a similar process as someone who has a positive test. It's all french to me :-)

RECONNAISSANCE DE LA VACCINATION COVID FAITE À L’ÉTRANGER ET OBTENTION D’UN QR CODE
Les vaccinations réalisées dans le cadre de la campagne de vaccination française, en France ou à l'étranger, doivent être enregistrées par le professionnel de santé dans Vaccin Covid (Ameli).
Les vaccinations réalisées en dehors de ce cadre mais avec un vaccin autorisé en France peuvent également être enregistrées dans la plateforme Vaccin Covid, uniquement par un professionnel soignant habilité (médecin, pharmacien, infirmier, sage-femme et chirurgien-dentiste).
Source : https://tousanticovid.stonly.com

Procédure à suivre :

1. Vaccin
a. Mettre le nom du vaccin (Pfizer, Moderna…)
b. Dans la case d’à côté (« provenance du lot ») TAPER ‘Autre’
c. CLIQUER sur l’option ‘Autre Lot’
d. Rentrer le numéro du lot étranger dans la case concomitante.

2. Centre de vaccination
a. TAPER 'Autre' dans la case correspondante.
=> Il est très important de taper ‘Autre…’ dans les deux cases, sinon cela ne fonctionnera pas.
b. Code postal : rentrer 99, qui permet ensuite de sélectionner le pays.
c. Pour les États-Unis, rentrer 99063.

Suivre la même séquence en cas de deuxième dose, lorsqu’applicable.
La feuille avec le QR Code apparaît et peut-être imprimée.

For some bizarre reason, I cannot get the direct French link to work in my browser. All I get is tousanticovid.stonly.com when clearly you are quoting en francais from a link on that cite. May I trouble you to type out the exact direct link?

As many of us know, there are lots of French pharmacists who will not believe a set of instructions you print out from a page off the internet unless they can see it themselves.

wysiwyg Jul 23, 2021 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by Landing Gear (Post 33432696)
For some bizarre reason, I cannot get the direct French link to work in my browser. All I get is tousanticovid.stonly.com when clearly you are quoting en francais from a link on that cite. May I trouble you to type out the exact direct link?

As many of us know, there are lots of French pharmacists who will not believe a set of instructions you print out from a page off the internet unless they can see it themselves.

This procedure is not posted on the “tousanticovid site (someone mentioned earlier that it was taken down). It was posted by someone on the ameli forum as a personal experience. That forum is just like here where anyone can comment and share their personal experience.

scubadu Jul 24, 2021 7:22 am


Originally Posted by wysiwyg (Post 33431278)
I feel what they are doing is the right thing. All countries need to make life difficult for the non vaccinated in order to encourage them to get the shot. But before putting this into place, they should have defined how their tourists and non residents can utilize the pass as well. Anyhow, more will be known by the end of the weekend as they iron out all the details ahead of passing this into law.

I am vaccinated. This is still a hot mess.

Regards

Adam1222 Jul 24, 2021 8:18 am


Originally Posted by scubadu (Post 33433615)
I am vaccinated. This is still a hot mess.

Regards

So is covid.

the188 Jul 24, 2021 9:45 am

Versailles finally got back to me. Looks good as we had this booked for our first day there.

"Thank you for your email.

We inform you that the “Pass Sanitaire” provides proof of a clean bill of health and can be presented as hard copy, or in digital form via the TousAntiCovid application (US vaccination card is valid).

For more information, do not hesitate to contact us on +33 1 30 83 78 00.

Best regards,

Customer Relation Service"

Bogwoppit Jul 24, 2021 1:17 pm

Visited two chateaus today, including Fougeres, again they accepted our Quebec QR vaccine proof. They really just cared about the date of our vaccines. One tried to scan the QR code, but then just looked at the dates.

Feeling as though this is less of an issue than it first seemed to be.

SFO777 Jul 24, 2021 3:52 pm


Originally Posted by Adam1222 (Post 33433711)
So is the hysterical, paranoid response to covid.

There. Fixed it for you.


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