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wysiwyg Jul 21, 2021 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by Bogwoppit (Post 33426556)

We have been sticking with dining on terrasses, so nobody asks us anything. But I know for many museum are a major concern. Hopefully in a week or two things will be better organised for getting our QR codes recognised, or at least our proofs of vaccination.

On a good note, the city is quiet, only time you think of covid is inside places, otherwise things are very pleasant and uncrowded.

The pass sanitaire is only mandatory in public places like movie theatres, tourist attractions, theatres, public events (indoor or out) that have more than 50 people effective today Jul 21. Restaurants, cafes and all other places where it will be required don’t need to request it until August (date TBC).

Paris is generally deserted in August and the only people you see are tourists. With many of them not coming this year, it will be a ghost town.

aleksir Jul 21, 2021 3:19 pm

I was able to gleen this as the process to get a QR code based on a US vaccination record. Not tested, but more than I've seen before:

RECOGNITION OF COVID VACCINATION MADE ABROAD AND OBTAINING A QR CODE
Vaccinations carried out as part of the French vaccination campaign, in France or abroad, must be recorded by the healthcare professional in Covid vaccine ( Ameli).
Vaccinations performed outside this framework but with a vaccine authorized in France can also be recorded in the Covid Vaccine platform, only by an authorized healthcare professional (doctor, pharmacist, nurse, midwife and dental surgeon).
Source: https://tousanticovid.stonly.com

Process to follow :

1. Vaccine
a. Enter the name of the vaccine (Pfizer, Moderna…)
b. In the box next to it (“origin of the lot”) TYPE 'Other'
c. CLICK on the option 'Other Lot'
d. Enter the number of the foreign lot in the concomitant box.

2. Vaccination center
a. TYPE 'Other' in the corresponding box.
=> It is very important to type 'Other…' in both boxes, otherwise it will not work.
b. Postal code: enter 99, which then allows you to select the country.
vs. For the United States, enter 99063.

Follow the same sequence for a second dose, when applicable.
The sheet with the QR Code appears and can be printed.
I hope someone can try it and it works as we're due to arrive August 19.

extreme_panda Jul 21, 2021 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by exp (Post 33425490)
Now there are articles published like this:
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/article...s-for-tourists

I don't know what source they're quoting when they say "any willing French doctor or pharmacist." I would think it could disrupt their normal business if they're inundated with American tourists wanting them to issue a QR code from US CDC cards.


I think that quote is from U.S. Embassy & Consulates in France

It used to say this:

  • To obtain a health pass, a person must show either that 1) they have been fully vaccinated, 2) have a negative PCR test (good for 72 hours after the test), or 3) have a negative antigen test (good for 48 hours after the test). The CDC card does not serve as a health pass. For people vaccinated in the United States with a CDC card, any willing French doctor or pharmacist can enter the vaccination information in the French system, even for people who do not have a French social security number or carte vitale. This will allow the person to generate a paper or electronic (through the French Tous Anti Covid app) version of the health pass.

But it's now been updated to:

  • As of July 21, the French government has not provided official information on obtaining a health pass for people vaccinated outside the European Union. While some people have been able to have their information entered into the French system by a French doctor or pharmacist, others have been told this is not possible. At this time, the Embassy is not aware of the extent to which it is still possible to have the U.S. information entered into the French system. We will update this website when we have additional information.


exp Jul 21, 2021 4:46 pm

Maybe skipping museums during a pandemic wouldn't be the worst thing.

And when I was there in the last week of June, t here were a lot of people on the streets.

mk712 Jul 21, 2021 5:33 pm


Originally Posted by aleksir (Post 33426733)
I was able to gleen this as the process to get a QR code based on a US vaccination record. Not tested, but more than I've seen before:

RECOGNITION OF COVID VACCINATION MADE ABROAD AND OBTAINING A QR CODE
Vaccinations carried out as part of the French vaccination campaign, in France or abroad, must be recorded by the healthcare professional in Covid vaccine ( Ameli).
Vaccinations performed outside this framework but with a vaccine authorized in France can also be recorded in the Covid Vaccine platform, only by an authorized healthcare professional (doctor, pharmacist, nurse, midwife and dental surgeon).
Source: https://tousanticovid.stonly.com

That text is coming from this page: https://tousanticovid.stonly.com/kb/.../347514,440399

But it's pretty old as the second sentence has since been updated and now reads that vaccine doses administered abroad can't be entered (but are accepted at the border). Doesn't hurt to try anyway I suppose.

Although I wouldn't worry too much considering your trip dates, a month from now all of this will surely have been sorted out.


Originally Posted by wysiwyg (Post 33426589)
Also, remember that a Quebec (or any other country/province/state) QR code is useless to them if they don’t have the ability to connect to your own health department backend system.

As I explained earlier in this thread, that is not true. There does not need to be any kind of backend link because all the necessary information is already included within the QR code. Technically the app used to scan those QR codes doesn't even need an internet connection.

The only reason foreign QR codes don't work with the French app is because they're using a different syntax (and are signed using a different key). It wouldn't be very difficult to update the app to support them, the problem is that they'd need to do that for every single issuing authority in the world (and it still wouldn't solve the issue for those who do not have a digital certificate e.g. most US States).

wysiwyg Jul 21, 2021 5:34 pm


Originally Posted by aleksir (Post 33426733)
I was able to gleen this as the process to get a QR code based on a US vaccination record. Not tested, but more than I've seen before:

RECOGNITION OF COVID VACCINATION MADE ABROAD AND OBTAINING A QR CODE
Vaccinations carried out as part of the French vaccination campaign, in France or abroad, must be recorded by the healthcare professional in Covid vaccine ( Ameli).
Vaccinations performed outside this framework but with a vaccine authorized in France can also be recorded in the Covid Vaccine platform, only by an authorized healthcare professional (doctor, pharmacist, nurse, midwife and dental surgeon).
Source: https://tousanticovid.stonly.com

Thanks for sharing. I’m trying to locate the steps you indicated on the site/link you provided, but can’t find them. Do you have the path? I have a feeling these steps are for importing records of foreign vaccination records for French residents, but need to see this on the site.

mk712 Jul 21, 2021 5:49 pm


Originally Posted by wysiwyg (Post 33427009)
Thanks for sharing. I’m trying to locate the steps you indicated on the site/link you provided, but can’t find them. Do you have the path? I have a feeling these steps are for importing records of foreign vaccination records for French residents, but need to see this on the site.

The part about importing foreign vaccination certificates used to be on this page: https://tousanticovid.stonly.com/kb/.../347514,440399

But it has since been deleted and replaced by a sentence saying this is not possible. Here's an archived version of that page from last month showing the old text: Importer son certificat de vaccination | TousAntiCovid

As for the actual steps, I don't think they're from an official source, I believe they're from a user on the ameli.fr discussion board: https://forum-assures.ameli.fr/quest...ention-qr-code

They were then reposted by another user in a more readable format on another thread: https://forum-assures.ameli.fr/quest...tion-americain

That last post appears to be what aleksir posted (through Google Translate).

untamed Jul 21, 2021 8:11 pm

Is the worst case that you can get the pass if you are willing to take a test every 48 hours?

aleksir Jul 21, 2021 8:41 pm

mk712
that is correct, it was a interpretation of the steps based on that website. No one seemed to have a process so I hope someone can give it a shot. There is also the original in french if that helps. There is a small mention about using a similar process as someone who has a positive test. It's all french to me :-)

RECONNAISSANCE DE LA VACCINATION COVID FAITE À L’ÉTRANGER ET OBTENTION D’UN QR CODE
Les vaccinations réalisées dans le cadre de la campagne de vaccination française, en France ou à l'étranger, doivent être enregistrées par le professionnel de santé dans Vaccin Covid (Ameli).
Les vaccinations réalisées en dehors de ce cadre mais avec un vaccin autorisé en France peuvent également être enregistrées dans la plateforme Vaccin Covid, uniquement par un professionnel soignant habilité (médecin, pharmacien, infirmier, sage-femme et chirurgien-dentiste).
Source : https://tousanticovid.stonly.com

Procédure à suivre :

1. Vaccin
a. Mettre le nom du vaccin (Pfizer, Moderna…)
b. Dans la case d’à côté (« provenance du lot ») TAPER ‘Autre’
c. CLIQUER sur l’option ‘Autre Lot’
d. Rentrer le numéro du lot étranger dans la case concomitante.

2. Centre de vaccination
a. TAPER 'Autre' dans la case correspondante.
=> Il est très important de taper ‘Autre…’ dans les deux cases, sinon cela ne fonctionnera pas.
b. Code postal : rentrer 99, qui permet ensuite de sélectionner le pays.
c. Pour les États-Unis, rentrer 99063.

Suivre la même séquence en cas de deuxième dose, lorsqu’applicable.
La feuille avec le QR Code apparaît et peut-être imprimée.

SEA-Flyer Jul 21, 2021 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by Seph87 (Post 33426029)
Was there something specific you said or did that you think helped the pharmacist? Or do you think you were just lucky? I'm guessing there's a "trick" to it that most pharmacists aren't aware of, so perhaps it would be possible for us to help the pharmacist if we know what it is.

Nothing too special we did - just being very polite and explaining the situation (and French). I imagine mostly luck in our case. The instructions mentioned about how to actually enter into their database that others have mentioned, would likely increase your odds. Then I’d imagine it’d mostly be an issue of trying to find someone willing to spend the time as opposed to the more general problem of most not knowing how to do it.

mk712 Jul 22, 2021 7:22 am

The French Secretary of State said yesterday that they will soon be opening a service at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs where French nationals having been vaccinated abroad will be able to send their proof of vaccination, have it be authenticated and then be provided a French QR code that can be imported into the app:


Note that this is specifically aimed at French nationals, not tourists. Just thought it was interesting that's the road they're taking on a technical level.

Of note, he also mentions that some vaccines are not recognized and those people will have to take regular tests while in France. If that's the case even for French nationals, that'll certainly be the case for tourists as well, although I'm not sure that applies to anyone here (he says that "over 60 vaccines" were recognized and that obviously includes Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, etc.).

Seph87 Jul 22, 2021 7:27 am


Originally Posted by untamed (Post 33427241)
Is the worst case that you can get the pass if you are willing to take a test every 48 hours?

Yes that is the worst case.

Marambio Jul 22, 2021 8:23 am


Originally Posted by mk712 (Post 33428099)
Of note, he also mentions that some vaccines are not recognized and those people will have to take regular tests while in France. If that's the case even for French nationals, that'll certainly be the case for tourists as well, although I'm not sure that applies to anyone here (he says that "over 60 vaccines" were recognized and that obviously includes Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, etc.).

People who were vaccinated with non-EMA-approved vaccines (such as Sinopharm, Sinovac and Sputnik V) are considered non-vaccinated by the French government. I assume this will change at some point (Chinese and Russian tourists are an important source of revenue) but not in the near future.

SFO777 Jul 22, 2021 10:40 am

Arpège says vaccination certificate or negative tests may be considered "pass sanitaire"...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...063a31d145.png

chitink Jul 22, 2021 10:43 am

Fantastic, plan on landing in Paris on August 1 from the US. Really hate to cancel everything, trying to decide if we should just go for it.


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