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bennos Aug 10, 2016 11:05 am


Originally Posted by zapata (Post 27043669)
They were busy helping two non-revs get on the flight and wouldn't assist another passenger or myself and instead left with 4 open seats! I get wanting to leave on time but I think they could have taken 5 minutes to get a few stranded passengers out.

Perhaps they were trying to get NRSP positioned correctly for their next flights?

bubbashow Aug 10, 2016 11:07 am


Originally Posted by zapata (Post 27043669)
While waiting for my confirmed seat, I decided to be proactive and try and get out on an earlier flight to either IAD or DCA. I walked up to the 10:15 AM IAD flight as they were finishing up boarding. They were busy helping two non-revs get on the flight and wouldn't assist another passenger or myself and instead left with 4 open seats! I get wanting to leave on time but I think they could have taken 5 minutes to get a few stranded passengers out.

I then tried to get on the 12:25 flight to DCA. I was told 3 times on the phone and in person that I was on the DCA standby list. I decided not to bother the gate agent and just wait until they called the standby passengers. As they were wrapping up boarding, I noticed that the delta app didn't have me on the DCA flight. When I asked, they told me my ticket was invalid and I wasn't on their list. I had to talk to two other people to find out my ticket needed reissuing for some reason and by then it was too late. Not that I could have gotten on their standby list since they seemed to be working off of a print out.

1) In service recovery as the airline (CLEARLY) is still having issues, I am glad they are using a hard cutoff. In situations like this, they could make exceptions for hours for a flight to some destinations. It is critical to get staff and planes where they need to be and when they need to be there.

2) Didn't you look at the GIDS (which DTW has at EVERY gate) and see you weren't on standby?

bubbashow Aug 10, 2016 11:09 am


Originally Posted by bennos (Post 27044393)
Perhaps they were trying to get NRSP positioned correctly for their next flights?

Exactly. Not all NR is NRSA - - - a LOT of it today is NRSP trying to get crew where they need to be to get the operation at 100%.

zapata Aug 10, 2016 11:28 am


Originally Posted by bennos (Post 27044393)
Perhaps they were trying to get NRSP positioned correctly for their next flights?

That's possible although not in uniform. One said they had been trying to get home for several days. I don't mean to imply that they didn't deserve to get home just that the employees could have put the same amount of effort into getting us on the flight.

This all occurred with four of us (2 non-revs, myself and another potential passenger) at the counter so I overheard everything. The red coat insisted on closing the door after getting the two nonrevs on. The other two gate agents actually argued with the red coat about waiting so they could let us on. Tensions were high understandably but I think they could have done a much better job dealing with this.

TheLifeOfA_NKCM Aug 10, 2016 11:29 am

Wow. Got upgraded the in MCO to MSP as an NRSA. Still shocked

zapata Aug 10, 2016 11:34 am


Originally Posted by bubbashow (Post 27044399)
1) In service recovery as the airline (CLEARLY) is still having issues, I am glad they are using a hard cutoff. In situations like this, they could make exceptions for hours for a flight to some destinations. It is critical to get staff and planes where they need to be and when they need to be there.

2) Didn't you look at the GIDS (which DTW has at EVERY gate) and see you weren't on standby?

1. I get that they can't delay flights as it has knock on network effects. I'm talking about maybe 5 minutes vs an hour. That said, there wasn't a throng of people at the gate there was only 4 of us. In the past it has always taken approximately one minute for them to scan my boarding pass and then add me to a flight.

2. The GIDS did not show a standby list at all, that was the first thing I looked for. I spoke with 3 different people on the phone who all said I was on the list. I even spoke with a very helpful gate agent who was working another gate who said I was on the list. Unfortunately they were all wrong somehow. The GIDS did show 20 unclaimed seats and I would have gotten on given that I'm a partner elite plus but didn't because of being mislead repeatedly.

zapata Aug 10, 2016 11:36 am


Originally Posted by bubbashow (Post 27044405)
Exactly. Not all NR is NRSA - - - a LOT of it today is NRSP trying to get crew where they need to be to get the operation at 100%.

I get that and am completely fine with that. I did in fact see one of their boarding passes at it said NSRA on it, I don't know about the other person. They were being helped first because they got there first which is fair. There was no one else waiting to board except us 4 and they could have made the time to do it.

Bowgie Aug 10, 2016 11:44 am


Originally Posted by EZEDoesIt (Post 27043483)
Your status (or lack thereof) may affect what they are willing to do. I, for one, was delayed at my connection and asked to just be sent home, which they did and gave me a full refund.

In this case, I think it's called "trip in vain", when the airline can't get you to your destination. I don't think status matters, and Delta did as they should have done given your preference to return home.

By the way, don't be surprised if you get no miles for the flights.

StayingHomeIsBetter Aug 10, 2016 11:47 am


Originally Posted by BenA (Post 27044333)
I've been 100% when asking them to note the promise in the record. If they are willing to do that, I can point the other airport back to them (even asking them to call the other station and speak with the person who made the promise of necessary.). If they aren't, I know I need to push harder at my current location or try a different avenue.

(I've never run into a case where an agent lies - e.g. they say they are noting the record, but don't follow through.)

Not saying any lies are involved.

It's just that the agent at Point A is confident that the voucher will be issued at Point B, and the Point B agent is otherly motivated or constrained.

underattack Aug 10, 2016 11:56 am

Day 3 and Delta still appears to have some significant issues. Two JAX-ATL flights canceled today with relatively short notice. The incoming plane from LGA to ATL(as much as you can trust flight aware on that) which was supposed to head to JAX was on time to ATL but the flight was st. I was lucky to still make an earlier flight, albeit downgraded to coach from paid-for F. The other option I was offered was to delay a day.

The Fly Delta app doesn't show my new flight, but they were able to print a boarding pass at the airport. It looks like a lot of passengers had issues with self check in , turning the "bag drop" line into special services.

Delta personnel was great and patient / friendly even though they are now dealing with this for 3 days.

Rabidstoat Aug 10, 2016 12:01 pm

Excuse the ignorance, but how do I tell which inbound flight has the plane I'll be using on my outbound flight? I'm flying out of DCA on the 6:05pm today and wanted to monitor the inbound we're using to see if it's delayed / canceled.

Zorak Aug 10, 2016 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by Rabidstoat (Post 27044730)
Excuse the ignorance, but how do I tell which inbound flight has the plane I'll be using on my outbound flight? I'm flying out of DCA on the 6:05pm today and wanted to monitor the inbound we're using to see if it's delayed / canceled.

https://www.flightradar24.com/flight/dl709

click where it says (N908DL) and it'll show you the activity for that tail number.

rylan Aug 10, 2016 12:23 pm

So we're past mid-day Wed when DL stated they expected to be back to normal operations. Are there still delays and flights being canceled?

StayingHomeIsBetter Aug 10, 2016 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by Rabidstoat (Post 27044730)
Excuse the ignorance, but how do I tell which inbound flight has the plane I'll be using on my outbound flight? I'm flying out of DCA on the 6:05pm today and wanted to monitor the inbound we're using to see if it's delayed / canceled.

Use the DL app on your phone.

Check flight status for your flight.

Select View More. Usually (not always) displays the inbound flight that will make up your outbound flight.

Disclaimer... I am referring to the iPhone app. No experience with other phones.

I often wonder why this capability is not provided on the DL.com

hazelrah Aug 10, 2016 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 27044866)
So we're past mid-day Wed when DL stated they expected to be back to normal operations. Are there still delays and flights being canceled?

I just heard from my sister who is connecting in ATL today and she says it's a cluster. She waited 4 hours for flight attendants in ATL . They finally came and the pax boarded and the pilots were told they'd be illegal by the time they landed in Baltimore, so they waited for more pilots. Pilots finally came and they lost a flight attendant, and they are waiting for another flight attendant on the plane.


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