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TrojanTraveler Aug 10, 2016 6:23 am


Originally Posted by BenA (Post 27040479)
For all the hacking conspiracy theorists who think this could have been the result of a coordinated plot by China - why would the PRC government attack its closest foreign airline partner? The vast majority of PRC airlines except Air China and Hainan are partnered exclusively with Delta. There's nothing to be gained - DL is already freely sharing information, investment and expertise with MU.

It is pure speculation that it is a cyber attack, but if it is (and it's the PRC), from a warfare standpoint, they really won't give much weight to their airlines' business. If true, it would be about testing smaller attacks on critical infrastructure to see if they could do it should open conflict break out. That would be way more important than anything to do with PRC airlines.

The US infrastructure is poorly secured. While the current administration seems to be finally doing something about it, in some ways, to quote a previous president, there is a "window of vulnerability" until the US can secure critical infrastructure.

RockinRon Aug 10, 2016 6:24 am


Originally Posted by itsaboutthejourney (Post 27041888)
Arrogant DAL execs clearly believe the world is centered in The Atlanta.

I was told the old NW data center was sold off to the Minnesota Vikings and that's where they are having training camp. Shame they didn't keep it as a secondary.

Stgermainparis Aug 10, 2016 6:28 am

Well, I finally arrived home 27 hours after my scheduled arrival and $400 in hotel and uber bills. I will say, though, that DL employees (despite being exhausted and frustrated themselves) were all kind and helpful in ATL. As bad as I felt for myself, I did feel bad for them.

rylan Aug 10, 2016 6:29 am

Looking like there are going to be a lot more cancellations than was projected in the operations update from DL last night at 11pm... "The outlook for Wednesday’s operation is positive, Delta officials said, with about 90 cancellations expected at the beginning of the day leading to normal operations later."

Going to easily double that number it seems.

vincentharris Aug 10, 2016 6:38 am


Originally Posted by TrojanTraveler (Post 27042940)
It is pure speculation that it is a cyber attack, but if it is (and it's the PRC), from a warfare standpoint, they really won't give much weight to their airlines' business. If true, it would be about testing smaller attacks on critical infrastructure to see if they could do it should open conflict break out. That would be way more important than anything to do with PRC airlines.

The US infrastructure is poorly secured. While the current administration seems to be finally doing something about it, in some ways, to quote a previous president, there is a "window of vulnerability" until the US can secure critical infrastructure.

Seems like a bad idea for them to attack DL, damn near what it feels like half of Sky Team is PRC based airlines. :)

Maybe this was a planned revolt against those PRC airlines realizing the mistake of joining Sky Team. :D

gooselee Aug 10, 2016 6:39 am


Originally Posted by WidgetTravels (Post 27042068)
People very understanding...makes our jobs easier.

Thank goodness. I still believe that most people aren't complete jackholes.

Hope things start settling down for you guys soon, and not only because that means things will have been getting back to normal. ^

makeUturn Aug 10, 2016 6:39 am

Second day trying to get from HSV to AUS via ATL and flights still a mess. Early morning flight from HSV to ATL looked good. Plane and pilots were at gate, but someone forgot to schedule any flight attendants. Connecting flight to AUS was still a maybe up until about the time the HSV GA announced that the HSV to ATL flight was canceled due to no flight attendants. I could not make the connecting flight to AUS and all of the rest of the flights for today and tomorrow are way overbooked and were still showing status uncertain. I just gave up and decided it was not my week to go to Austin. HSV ticket counter could not issue full ticket refund but did note that it is eligible. I have to call Delta for the refund. I think I will wait for a few days before trying that.

rylan Aug 10, 2016 6:39 am


Originally Posted by Grouchy (Post 27042554)
Looks like they are still cancelling flights today. Saw around 90 earlier today, now it's up to 158.
Ooh and when booking through a phone agent it required quite some time and typing. Are they using some kind of backup/old system?

Probably fell back to DLTerm instead of SNAP, so that requires a lot of typing but can be more powerful for overriding and rebooking since from what I understand the graphical SNAP interface doesn't have full functionality yet. That was eluded to in one of DL's statements that mentioned reverting to the originally designed interface.

vincentharris Aug 10, 2016 6:41 am


Feels like DL is doing the car rental version of this the last few days :P

TrojanTraveler Aug 10, 2016 6:45 am


Originally Posted by vincentharris (Post 27042991)
Seems like a bad idea for them to attack DL, damn near what it feels like half of Sky Team is PRC based airlines. :)

Maybe this was a planned revolt against those PRC airlines realizing the mistake of joining Sky Team. :D

Very funny!

I think Americans tend to view things mostly economically, while in many countries in the world economics is only part of their decision making. For some countries, warfare (even asymmetrical) will be far more important than economic considerations.

lindros2 Aug 10, 2016 7:10 am


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 27042998)
Probably fell back to DLTerm instead of SNAP, so that requires a lot of typing but can be more powerful for overriding and rebooking since from what I understand the graphical SNAP interface doesn't have full functionality yet. That was eluded to in one of DL's statements that mentioned reverting to the originally designed interface.

Correct.

Delta has tried to get just about everyone to use SNAP instead of DLTerm/Deltamatic. Upside is easier to use - training/onboarding is a 'couple of weeks' instead of '6-9 months', also, training can be performed by/delegated to airport staff instead of central/classroom onboarding. However, as we saw this week, there is the 'handicap/paralysis effect' when poop hits the fan.

They're also using Amadeus for joint reservations... which is tricky.

lindros2 Aug 10, 2016 7:14 am


Originally Posted by TheLifeOfA_NKCM (Post 27039902)
While I do believe that the possibility of a covered hacking is very well possible. After vetting those outlets, I don't think they're quite reliable or objective. :/

Working in cybersecurity, do I think it's possible? Absolutely.

Is Delta's explanation fishy (power outage)? Also true.

But one has to question what type of system we're talking about here. Are they using Windows/Intel machines for power switching?

"Old, reliable technology" = "mainframe" = "difficult to bring down". It's like ICS (industrial control systems) and the whole thread on the energy grid - absolutely possible to take down, but difficult (Stuxnet is an outlier).

Cher905 Aug 10, 2016 8:06 am


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 27042953)
Looking like there are going to be a lot more cancellations than was projected in the operations update from DL last night at 11pm... "The outlook for Wednesday’s operation is positive, Delta officials said, with about 90 cancellations expected at the beginning of the day leading to normal operations later."

Going to easily double that number it seems.

Yeah, sounds like 90 is an understatement. I'm already seeing 12 flights cancelled so far today out of MSP alone.

Stgermainparis Aug 10, 2016 8:07 am

Can I ask you guys something? How are you going to handle compensation? I did receive the email about the $200 voucher, but I must say that it is not much in light of the 27 hour delay I had. Our baggage went ahead of us so we were also without that. Couldn't wait in 300-person line for hotel voucher (SCs were closed by midnight when our flight was canceled) so found a hotel (11 miles away) myself. Everything near airport was completely sold out, as you can imagine. DL phone lines were completely jammed. I'm out the hotel, uber, a few meals, and a lot of time. Plus it was a huge aggravation. And my total travel time, which should have been 12 hours ended up being 39 hours. Complete with jetlag, no sleep for 24 hours, and my son with me, etc. That last leg was after 6 weeks of intense European travel and we really wanted to be home.

I have some trip insurance, on which I can file a claim for some of those expenses. But I confess that the $200 voucher email, while proactive, doesn't really appease me. Thankfully I did not miss anything truly important (and I really am grateful for that b/c I know some folks did) and ultimately may have to suck this up. But I did hear about folks getting better compensation (in one case to the tune of $1k/person).

What will the rest of you request? I thought I would request reimbursements for whatever insurance doesn't cover and a refund of the points (30k/p) used for the one-way ticket that took 39 hours rather than 12 to complete.

Zorak Aug 10, 2016 8:07 am

http://news.delta.com/what-delta-cus...know-wednesday


Here are key things to know today:

1. Delta will start the Wednesday operation with a little over 150 systemwide cancellations after roughly 800 flights were canceled Tuesday. Teams across the airline continued work during the overnight hours to bring an end to the impact of Monday’s outage that disrupted operations.

2. Technology systems that allow airport customer service agents to process check-ins, conduct boarding and dispatch aircraft are functioning normally with the bulk of delays and cancellations coming as a result of flight crews displaced or running up against their maximum allowed duty period following the outage.

[...]

6. Unaccompanied minors will again be allowed to travel on Delta Wednesday following a temporary stay during the height of the disruption.


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